Hmmmmm, with these new bests being thrown out there by NA smallblocks...im starting to rethink it....\

Congrats guys, got to respect doing a lot with a little !! Im starting to get nervous !\

In my best Christopher Walken impression: "Needs... more... nitrous!"

. Hold on not so quick.. in my opinion we are still lacking a Quality Block... I hear there's an aftermarket block that is getting better.. but I think there's a lot to be proven and verified with that

Although we have to congratulate those with new bests keep in mind track and weather conditions. I hear the conditions were great

You say that like it was a bad thing. LOL

I like running in good air and track conditions.

No doubt that the results being seen are impressive. I just don’t see why anyone would wait around for a questionable block for either big or small block when you can get a new, real MOPAR r5p7 block any day of the week for $1500.
Cheap heads capable of 400 cfm, 60 mm cam, deep skirt cross bolted mains, and 6 bolt head retention.
Get an 800 hp n/a 358” running engine with a belt drive, jesel rockers, dry sump, billet crank, etc... for $15000.
Put a stroked crank in it and see what happens!

Not at all but when comparing apples to apples you can’t compare an apple from the desert to one raised in Pa.

I wasn't comparing...........I was admiring.
That's all.
We might see mine shaft air in Mn. a couple times a season.
I hope I am there for it.

They are a decent value for what they are , but you are really limited by the architecture of the engines too.
Big strokes are not possible.
And changes to the package as finished for NASCAR are not cheap.
I would think they would be a good package for Comp. eliminator , and you don't see them there either........I sure haven't.

If i ever were to build another race motor, i would take a hard look at a stroked 6.4 gen3 hemi alky injected. With parts drying up for sb bb, it might be the best option unless you have deep pockets and want over 800 hp.

Time slips don't lie...the results are impressive who cares about the conditions. Lol

I'm impressed !

Top End Dragway in the fall....

I didn’t have my weather station set up last weekend... was a heads up deal so it didn’t matter much. I probably should have just because.... I know a friend set a new best at Famoso Saturday am with a -194 DA. I’m really looking forward to getting my junk fixed and get it to go down the track correctly.

I had my weather station at Irwindale MRM Sat. 2/23

12:44pm 68.5* 29.85"bar 26.8%hum 1065'da
2.10pm 70.3* 29.80" 22.3% 1207'
4.12pm 69.9 29.79" 27.6% 1247'

For us this is good.

The bargains with that platform have dried up. There are some really cheap R6/P8 deals out there, but no one is jumping on them.
A friend looked at doing a A/EA engine based on the R5/P7 platform, but no one was really interested. He sold the parts off, I've got the camshaft sitting here for one of my engines.

They work best in the 390-420 inch displacement, unreliable grenades over 420 , bellhousing can be an issue, there is a Quick time bellhousing for them(8082) which is designed for use a Jerico type bolt pattern , some work and you can get a TKO bolted up...parts are out there, but like the SBM, good blocks are starting to dry up.

FWIW ,
Best approach (in my opinion) to the G3 is get a short block (68226133AA-truck,68223196AB-SRT) for roughly 2900-3300 depending on dealer and what they want for core,the 392SRT short block from Rockauto is $2,910+$500.00 core so total of $3,405.79 with out core FWIW Summit is 4200ish.
Another 3-5k for heads and odds and ends for about 10K you can have a 550/650hp G3 Hemi , all NEW PARTS bracket/street engine obviously it can be done cheaper with used parts ...are there better cost option out there for the other Mopar engine platforms...yes there is but only your pocket book can answer what is the best long/short term option for you, Big HP #s from the G3 NA are out there , it's costly at this point , the development and money investment is about 20 years behind the other engine platforms

Could you give a recipe for a high end G3 and what kind of hp it would put out? 800hp?

I love seeing these NA small blocks fly. They sound nasty, and are totally impressive. What Brett has done with these heads and intakes is just incredible.HOWEVER, how many of these cars race weekly, have 250 runs on them ? ( i truely dont know, it seems to me only a handful are really out there making passes tho) I have a pretty fair idea, but, what is the REAL cost of building one of these ? Whitedart,( and maybe Brett, Andy and????) if you had to put a number to what it cost you, what would be fair and reasonable to throw out there, to ACTUALLY build one of these engines? Lets assume, that someone had to pay for all the block work ( assuming its a Ritter), heads, intake, modifications,pistons,coatings,cams, valvetrain,making parts that WILL fit, hand machining,( not deals with this guy or that gut either, straight up have to pay for stuff) and so on and so forth? Lets throw a real number out there. I am not on here enough to know who else runs one of these combos,other than what I see Brett working on, I kinda watch from another viewpoint so to speak.

Let me be VERY VERY clear, I love this stuff, I am not playing negative nelly here. I simply want to be 100% honest about what one of these would cost, and how much cost for maintenance and repairs, if it was raced in a weekly series, or weekly " quick something" or "index" series. I hope we see 10 more of these combos this year, my point is, its probably way out of line for most. To those that can and do, its great.Its a huge commitment, that only a few can and will make I think.Look forward to the guys who have done this, with real world numbers , time and experience, Congrats to the guys running these numbers, its impressive.Thanks.