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572 Vacum Pump #2625402
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Hello , i have 572 race engine with Moroso Vacum System,separator and catch can ... after 4/5 warmup , found half quart of oil ! look too much oil !

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1970 Cuda 496 street driven 9.22@150
1971 Demon 572 7.82@176
1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible 345 Hemi
1958 Plymouth Fury Christine
2008 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi
1970 Dodge ChallengerRT 6pack 4 speed 1 of 135
1968 Dodge Charger RT 4 speed
Re: 572 Vacum Pump [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2625436
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Sealing up an engine can be a pain. You have an air leak somewhere so it is pulling air into the engine and sucking air out. You might also have a baffle problem where you are pulling air. Good luck, it can be super frustrating finding the leak and building a baffle that works. I've chased this around on the dyno a bunch of times and it isn't any fun.

Re: 572 Vacum Pump [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2625454
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Where are you pulling from??


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My condition is fully BLOWN!!
Re: 572 Vacum Pump [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2625477
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Pulling from valley pan .. no baffle .. i would put on valve cover


1970 Cuda 496 street driven 9.22@150
1971 Demon 572 7.82@176
1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible 345 Hemi
1958 Plymouth Fury Christine
2008 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi
1970 Dodge ChallengerRT 6pack 4 speed 1 of 135
1968 Dodge Charger RT 4 speed
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1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible 345 Hemi
1958 Plymouth Fury Christine
2008 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi
1970 Dodge ChallengerRT 6pack 4 speed 1 of 135
1968 Dodge Charger RT 4 speed
Re: 572 Vacum Pump [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2625481
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1971 Demon 572 7.82@176
1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible 345 Hemi
1958 Plymouth Fury Christine
2008 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi
1970 Dodge ChallengerRT 6pack 4 speed 1 of 135
1968 Dodge Charger RT 4 speed
Re: 572 Vacum Pump [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2625487
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Originally Posted By Raffaplymouth60
Pulling from valley pan .. no baffle .. i would put on valve cover


It is very, very difficult to pull from the valley without sucking up a lot of oil. I've never seen it done on a race engine but maybe someone has figured it out. Some factory engines used a breather in the valley but they had fairly elaborate oil vapor traps. Basically tanks filled with steel wool and lots of baffles. Look at the FE Ford for example.

The valve cover is the best place to pull from but even there you'll need some sort of baffle.

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ok will move to the left valve cover , the only problem is the 12 AN fitting can touch the hood ... on the side of the cover is not possible because the baffle fitting inside can touch to the rocker arm )

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1970 Cuda 496 street driven 9.22@150
1971 Demon 572 7.82@176
1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible 345 Hemi
1958 Plymouth Fury Christine
2008 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi
1970 Dodge ChallengerRT 6pack 4 speed 1 of 135
1968 Dodge Charger RT 4 speed
Re: 572 Vacum Pump [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2625497
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I agree.
All strokers have greater crankcase pressure cycling than stock: larger displacement in the same case volume. No, the pistons going the other way don't eliminate this, and there is also bay-to-bay pumping between adjacent cylinder pairs.

The valley is exposed to crankshaft throw-off. If it were the only source, it can be improved by adding a very tall vertical cylinder and pull from the top. The droplets will fall back and only mist will evacuate, but (duh) there's a space problem. Hint: the cylinder can have bends in it - the height is the important part. A vertical stub added to the valley going immediately to a 90° fitting, the a horizontal leg, 90° again should be able to bypass your manifold.

The valve covers are at least isolated from the crank, but still need to be masked/baffled inside (and in the separator) from flying droplets.

Is your dipstick tube sealed?

For both: a large diameter source (1"+) slows down vapor speed and encourages droplet fall-back.


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1958 Plymouth Fury Christine
2008 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi
1970 Dodge ChallengerRT 6pack 4 speed 1 of 135
1968 Dodge Charger RT 4 speed
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1971 Demon 572 7.82@176
1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible 345 Hemi
1958 Plymouth Fury Christine
2008 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi
1970 Dodge ChallengerRT 6pack 4 speed 1 of 135
1968 Dodge Charger RT 4 speed
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now the dipstick is not sealed


1970 Cuda 496 street driven 9.22@150
1971 Demon 572 7.82@176
1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible 345 Hemi
1958 Plymouth Fury Christine
2008 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi
1970 Dodge ChallengerRT 6pack 4 speed 1 of 135
1968 Dodge Charger RT 4 speed
Re: 572 Vacum Pump [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2625562
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Could you plumb it into the front of the valve cover with an upward facing baffle on the inside ?
I don't think that even the surge from braking would flood this , unless you are trapping a large volume of oil in the heads.

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Originally Posted By tubtar
Could you plumb it into the front of the valve cover with an upward facing baffle on the inside ?
I don't think that even the surge from braking would flood this , unless you are trapping a large volume of oil in the heads.
i think this is a solution


1970 Cuda 496 street driven 9.22@150
1971 Demon 572 7.82@176
1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible 345 Hemi
1958 Plymouth Fury Christine
2008 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi
1970 Dodge ChallengerRT 6pack 4 speed 1 of 135
1968 Dodge Charger RT 4 speed
Re: 572 Vacum Pump [Re: polyspheric] #2625571
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Originally Posted By polyspheric
I agree.
All strokers have greater crankcase pressure cycling than stock: larger displacement in the same case volume. No, the pistons going the other way don't eliminate this, and there is also bay-to-bay pumping between adjacent cylinder pairs.

The valley is exposed to crankshaft throw-off. If it were the only source, it can be improved by adding a very tall vertical cylinder and pull from the top. The droplets will fall back and only mist will evacuate, but (duh) there's a space problem. Hint: the cylinder can have bends in it - the height is the important part. A vertical stub added to the valley going immediately to a 90° fitting, the a horizontal leg, 90° again should be able to bypass your manifold.

The valve covers are at least isolated from the crank, but still need to be masked/baffled inside (and in the separator) from flying droplets.

Is your dipstick tube sealed?

For both: a large diameter source (1"+) slows down vapor speed and encourages droplet fall-back.
will make a hole on the left cover frobt side ... i have Moroso fitting with little holes inside ..


1970 Cuda 496 street driven 9.22@150
1971 Demon 572 7.82@176
1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible 345 Hemi
1958 Plymouth Fury Christine
2008 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi
1970 Dodge ChallengerRT 6pack 4 speed 1 of 135
1968 Dodge Charger RT 4 speed
Re: 572 Vacum Pump [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2625573
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I was told by a GZ vacuum pump tech to install the inlet hose fitting at the front of one of the valve covers and install a baffle under it and install the bypass valve close or right next to it so it wouldn't suck dirty air across the motor like installing that valve on the other side of the motor work I did that and it works good, my baffle is installed(welded)right at 3/8 inch down form the inside of the bottom of the valve cover, maybe 1/8 to 3/16 inch air gap from the baffle to the Moroso fitting up scope
I get more moisture in the puke drain tank than oil boogie I use to drain it after every pass, not needed tsk Now I drain it after five to eight races now and I get less than one ounce liquid then work up


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Re: 572 Vacum Pump [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2625599
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If hood clearance is an issue you can put it on the inside portion of the valve cover between rocker arms possibly. Not sure what head and rocker set up you have but its worth looking at. Along with the Moroso baffle you should be way better. UNLESS you have an external leak.



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Re: 572 Vacum Pump [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2625604
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My 572 pulls from the front of the right valve cover. No baffle. Goes 25 passes with about 4-5ozs of oil in the overflow.
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My Predator pulls off the front of the valvecover as well. Never pulls any oil at all either. The dragster pulls off the top of the cover and we never see any oil there either.


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Re: 572 Vacum Pump [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2625755
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I pull from the front of both covers. i get oil in the catch can but i worked out it was because my chute pulls up the car hard & the oil at the top end is sloshing hard up the front of the covers. The valley pan is a bad idea, too much oil windage in that area.

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