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Re: BB bellt drive, who makes them besides Jesel? [Re: Cab_Burge] #2609893
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The Aussie Belt drives ALL have idlers. Jesel is just the raised cam stuff


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Re: BB bellt drive, who makes them besides Jesel? [Re: Al_Alguire] #2610003
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Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
I ran an old Australian Muscle Parts belt drive. I felt like I was the R&D guy for him. I finally quit emailing and just made it work. Would like to see his come back just for some competition. As for the idler it is on ALL the raised cam BB Mopar Jesel. If you are patient they can be located from time to time, I will warn you if you buy a used one and it needs a belt or seals may as well buy new. They are quite proud of their stuff


I have one on my small block........I bought it used , then started buying parts.
Yeah......if I do another motor with one , it will be new in box , from the manufacturer or distributor.
The set up I bought had the plate for a low deck small block , so I bought the backing plate too.
I didn't save a more than maybe 150.00 , but I got a solid understanding of how they want to go together and work. LOL

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I decided to buy a new Mildon gear drive for this motor, it should be here by Friday, I hope luck
I've installed and race them as well as KB and Donovan gear drives, this current motor will have a little over 850 Lbs. over the nose and around 300 Lbs. seat pressure wrench
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Re: BB bellt drive, who makes them besides Jesel?Update [Re: Cab_Burge] #2610900
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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
I decided to buy a new Mildon gear drive for this motor, it should be here by Friday, I hope luck
I've installed and race them as well as KB and Donovan gear drives, this current motor will have a little over 850 Lbs. over the nose and around 300 Lbs. seat pressure wrench
Thanks to all of you for your help up



Not a single thing wrong with that gear drive.


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I have used them twice. They work ok a tad fiddly on install IMO but work fine. 850 on the nose is not a big deal. Try 1300+ smile


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Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
Try 1300+ smile

Not this week, maybe next week haha grin
My new Intercomp valve spring tester does go up to 1400 Lbs. work


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was talking to Mike from 'Strayln Muscle parts today, said he is almost ready to release the new version of his belt driove for BBM's. we had a good talk & the new unit is going to have big improvements over the original. He's hoping the production will start in the next few months & hopefully priced better than the Jesel. He tells me Todd will probably be one of his dealers. watch this space

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Originally Posted By rebel
was talking to Mike from 'Strayln Muscle parts today, said he is almost ready to release the new version of his belt driove for BBM's. we had a good talk & the new unit is going to have big improvements over the original. He's hoping the production will start in the next few months & hopefully priced better than the Jesel. He tells me Todd will probably be one of his dealers. watch this space

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He send me a pic of his new Ford unit, said his new Mopar one will look similar.

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Originally Posted By rebel
He send me a pic of his new Ford unit, said his new Mopar one will look similar.

Have never ran a belt drive but will be on my next engine. With that said is there a benefit with the idler. I know many of you have lots of experience with this stuff so I figured I will get the straight scoop.


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Looks great overall. Do you know if it will it accept a cover for some street use?

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Originally Posted By cudatom
Originally Posted By rebel
He send me a pic of his new Ford unit, said his new Mopar one will look similar.

Have never ran a belt drive but will be on my next engine. With that said is there a benefit with the idler. I know many of you have lots of experience with this stuff so I figured I will get the straight scoop.
The only reason to run the Idler from those pics is because there is not a belt that is an exact fit, the pulley takes up the slack. This single idler method also can change timing, that is why the cam pulley is adjustable, it compensates for any tightening or loosening of the belt. Its not a bad design, it has been proven on tens of thousands of accurate 3 axis milling machines to drive the spindle. Tim


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Thanks for the answer


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Going to be completely honest, what are the advantages of the belt drive? Will you really see the horsepower per dollar?

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Originally Posted By wyldebill
Going to be completely honest, what are the advantages of the belt drive? Will you really see the horsepower per dollar?


There are a lot of advantages for a serious race engine. Not so sure that power is one of them.

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I building a rather serious street car engine. I've looked at them, just hard to justify the expense. Especially since no one can give me any proven reasons.

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Jesel belt drives, just like Jesel rocker arms are used on serious race engines. You can put them on a street car just for show, but they are designed for hardcore applications. Anytime I build an engine that is going to get beat on hard I use a belt drive. It is a good way to solve a bunch of issues at the front of the engine.

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Re: BB bellt drive, who makes them besides Jesel?Update [Re: wyldebill] #2623709
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Originally Posted By wyldebill
I building a rather serious street car engine. I've looked at them, just hard to justify the expense. Especially since no one can give me any proven reasons.

I've used a Jesel belt drive on one motor so far, I wasn't really impressed with it hence the choice on the gear drive for this current street motor.
To bad Cloyes has now goofed up all the better BB Mopar timing sets runaway whiney
Setting up a single idler gear drive can be a pain but it way better than breaking a timing chain in two or three years of street use or a belt up work

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This engine will produce 950 to 1000 hp. Its pump gas brother made 864 with a bad carb and undersized headers. So were arent talking mild bracket car. I just cant see the justification of the dollars.

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