New Engine Won't Start
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02/12/19 07:01 PM
02/12/19 07:01 PM
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jim6346
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Good Afternoon Everyone,
This one has me kind of stumped.
I just put a rebuilt 440 into a 69 Charger (automatic).I am not getting any pop out of the engine.....
New plugs, wires, coil, ballast resistor.
I set the timing to 5 before TDC. I have great spark at the #1 Spark Plug (I have one of those inline spark testers) and it lights up great.
I have tried both starting fluid and gas down the carb. Nothing.
Checked compression and all cylinders are good. Verified all cylinders are firing.
It turns over well, am using a hi torque mini starter. Kind of slow, but not as bad as my Cuda.
It has some kind of weird dual point electronic distributor. Never seen anything like it. Again, I have really good spark, so I'm thinking that is not the issue?
I have tried bypassing the ballast resistor, no change.
Any ideas? I'm thinking about changing out the distributor, but really want to keep it if possible.
Thanks! Jim
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Re: New Engine Won't Start
[Re: jim6346]
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02/12/19 07:48 PM
02/12/19 07:48 PM
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RapidRobert
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Jim are you sayin it sparks at the plugs when you crank it with the key but it will not fire off? Is this a new cam breakin? I would set it at 15 BTDC & as said confirm you are on the #1 compression stroke. also get the dist right (not my area). EDIT Yes the points ground the neg coil pri terminal tho not sure why there are 2 wires but others will advise. MORE EDIT starting with the housing turned CCW, then go back CW & first both points will be closed (charging the coil) then one set will open then the 2nd set will open & at that exact point it will fire so with the dampener at 15 turn the housing back till the 2nd set opens & lock it down at that point & also check if the rotor is under or near under the #1 dist cap terminal (at the trailing (CCW) edge of the cap terminal is fine with vacuum adv cuz rotor phasing will shift it back CW) & if the rotor is under a plug wire other than the #1 plug wire either reroute the wires or lift/move the intergear & maintaining the OE pattern is the best. You might just reroute the wires till we get this puppy going but if the intergear is out for preoiling this is a good time to move it.
Last edited by RapidRobert; 02/13/19 12:07 AM. Reason: more thought/bored
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Re: New Engine Won't Start
[Re: jim6346]
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02/13/19 01:16 PM
02/13/19 01:16 PM
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GomangoCuda
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I'm using a timing light, and it is dead on 5 before TDC. Should be correct? 50-50 chance. Each cylinder fires every other crank revolution. Pull #1 spark plug. Put your finger in the plug hole. Turn engine until compression blows past your finger. Should be approaching tdc. Turn engine to 10 deg btdc. Now you can check to see if the rotor is pointing towards #1 plug wire. If it is pointing the opposite way it is 180 out. Update - it is a regular dual point distributor. There is a black and red wire coming out of the distributor, both going to the negative side of the coil. Is this correct?
Thanks, Jim That is not the factory wire but it will work exactly the same.
Last edited by GomangoCuda; 02/13/19 01:32 PM.
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Re: New Engine Won't Start
[Re: GomangoCuda]
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02/13/19 01:27 PM
02/13/19 01:27 PM
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GomangoCuda
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Who rebuilt the engine? Any chance the cam is way off time?
Is your garage heated? Does your choke work? It's been a bit cold.
If the ignition timing is good and you have a mini starter it should spin over pretty fast. Weeeeee not ert-ert-ert-ert. Could be a low battery or less likely a bad starter.
Last edited by GomangoCuda; 02/13/19 01:30 PM.
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Re: New Engine Won't Start
[Re: stumpy]
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02/13/19 01:39 PM
02/13/19 01:39 PM
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Intermediate shaft position doesn't mean matter as long as the dist cap is wired with the #1 wire over the rotor tip when the piston on #1 cylinder at tdc of the compression stroke. #1 wire can be on any terminal as long as the rotor is pointed to it at TDC of the compression stroke. Fixed
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.
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Re: New Engine Won't Start
[Re: stumpy]
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02/13/19 01:59 PM
02/13/19 01:59 PM
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sportfury70
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Intermediate shaft position doesn't mean matter as long as the dist cap is wired with the #1 wire over the rotor tip when the piston on #1 cylinder at tdc. #1 wire can be on any terminal as long as the rotor is pointed to it at TDC. This is why I typically don't reply. I gave very accurate information & somebody has to be smarter than the next guy. I'm sorry I replied.
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