Re: Tired of gratuitous mockup pics yet?
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Hey SNK, I was looking at the curved tray.
Which tray are you using in the reproduction hemi pan? You have 4.500 stroke I presume? What's your total fill and max rpm?
Pls feel free to PM if that is preferable.
The one I am doing has 2.200 journals.
Thx, Rich
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Re: Tired of gratuitous mockup pics yet?
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The curved one from 440 source will not work with the hemi,440 six pack pan.
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Re: Tired of gratuitous mockup pics yet?
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The curved one from 440 source will not work with the hemi,440 six pack pan. Thanks, good info. Of course part of me wants to see how far off it is/whether I could work with it.
Rich H.
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Re: Tired of gratuitous mockup pics yet?
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Hi Tony, taking baby steps towards a 572ci Street Hemi, eventual upgrade for the old Plymouth. More accurate to say street/strip but I will just stop there knowing you're very familiar with that whole deal (if you're not careful...next thing you know, it's a race car). Nice! No adding 509 cam and 1.8 rockers for you. Going right for the jugular with the monster hemi, I like it! Looking forward to hearing how it turns out
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Re: Tired of gratuitous mockup pics yet?
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Being cross bolted, I was thinking nobody made a girdle.
That World block doesn't need a girdle. Should be good for a couple thousand HP as is.
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Re: Tired of gratuitous mockup pics yet?
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Hey thanks. I put a production type MP tray in the mule 440 (I call it that because it's still kicking) and a milodon in the 451, but other than the deep milodon one....no extras. I might accept the tray loan even though the girdle won't be used. Will keep looking at it and develop a plan. Of course, plans are always subject to change (This started as a low compression 528).
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Re: Tired of gratuitous mockup pics yet?
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I don't know if such an animal exists or not but you can get sheet metal valve covers and then weld #12 AN bungs on them for screw in breathers or use AN lines over to the core support for a Moroso 3 qt remote breather tank. AndyF, Thank you for this info, I bought the 440source welded aluminum valve covers and was wondering how exactly to handle this problem. I appreciate your knowledge and willingness to help people, i wish everyone on this board would follow your example. Sorry to the OP for the hijack
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Re: Tired of gratuitous mockup pics yet?
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Hey thanks. I put a production type MP tray in the mule 440 (I call it that because it's still kicking) and a milodon in the 451, but other than the deep milodon one....no extras. I might accept the tray loan even though the girdle won't be used. Will keep looking at it and develop a plan. Of course, plans are always subject to change (This started as a low compression 528). Just let me know. Of course you don't need a girdle, just a possible means to an end. It would simply be for mock up, clearance check and maybe some ideas. I think the thickness of the girdle will give you everything your trying to accomplish. Full length tray, up tight to the rotating assy, hemi oil pan, and a nice fit in the car. Just an idea.
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Re: Tired of gratuitous mockup pics yet?
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collecting info.
Biggest detail is 1 and 3/16 stick out. I'd like to create a little bit more space between the oil and the rods sticking out. With this pan and a 6qt fill, the oil seems a little too close to the rods for a windage tray/screen to even have much effect.
confirmed, the extra deep tray is no good with that pan.
I think what I'd like more is a 1"+ deeper repro pan, like 6". I always believed that is what some of the f.a.s.t. cars appear to have...or used to...years ago I noticed some of them hang down below the K member but only slightly. Or alternately, I could shorten a 7" pan which would be easier because the sump is more squared off on most of them.
It has light interference at the pickup tube adapter, I think I can fix that. Although external is so easy with this block because of the hole in front, it's tempting to try that instead.
Will brainstorm awhile longer. I know I don't want a super stock pan with the center link poking through it.
Rich H.
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Re: Tired of gratuitous mockup pics yet?
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I don't know if such an animal exists or not but you can get sheet metal valve covers and then weld #12 AN bungs on them for screw in breathers or use AN lines over to the core support for a Moroso 3 qt remote breather tank. AndyF, Thank you for this info, I bought the 440source welded aluminum valve covers and was wondering how exactly to handle this problem. I appreciate your knowledge and willingness to help people, i wish everyone on this board would follow your example. Sorry to the OP for the hijack Hey no need to apologize, pick up any ideas you possibly can from any source, it's all good. I ran AN lines to a breather tank on my Wedge engine back in 2001 Over a period of time, though, I got tired of the clutter underhood and found it was not needed on that engine, tested up to 7000. Instead I went to OEM replacement 1970 era grommets and matching OE style breathers. Those paired up with baffles inside the valve covers is all it seems to need. But...that was a 3.75 stroke engine.....
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Re: Tired of gratuitous mockup pics yet?
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Being cross bolted, I was thinking nobody made a girdle.
That World block doesn't need a girdle. Should be good for a couple thousand HP as is. LOL, yes I know. And c'mon now...you know that I know Just being diplomatic for a second.
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Re: Tired of gratuitous mockup pics yet?
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collecting info.
Biggest detail is 1 and 3/16 stick out. I'd like to create a little bit more space between the oil and the rods sticking out. With this pan and a 6qt fill, the oil seems a little too close to the rods for a windage tray/screen to even have much effect.
Zippy, I had commented on someone else's build that from their pics the windage tray itself was going to be sitting at the oil level....then some other poster pointed out that the oil will not be at that level while the motor is running. I understand deep pans help, but it is worth considering that you may have more separation than you are thinking. Dave
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Re: Tired of gratuitous mockup pics yet?
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collecting info.
Biggest detail is 1 and 3/16 stick out. I'd like to create a little bit more space between the oil and the rods sticking out. With this pan and a 6qt fill, the oil seems a little too close to the rods for a windage tray/screen to even have much effect.
Zippy, I had commented on someone else's build that from their pics the windage tray itself was going to be sitting at the oil level....then some other poster pointed out that the oil will not be at that level while the motor is running. I understand deep pans help, but it is worth considering that you may have more separation than you are thinking. Dave FWIW, I like to consider that too (i.e. the level will be lower when the motor is running), and that it is not sitting level either. I figure that if the oil is at the crank at the back of the motor when stationary and not running, and if the tray is up close to the crank, it'll all be good. No proof though. I will say that with full time unrestricted oiling to the valve gear, loose bearing clearances and 0W-30W oil, I've never had a problem with oil pressure up to 6800 rpm.
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