EFI conversion
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I have purchased the Holley Sniper basic kit for my 440 Challenger. I also bought the Spectra efi fuel tank. I have one 3/8" line to the original tank. I bought another 3/8" line for the return. They are both 3/8 tubing. What should I use to connect them up to each end? Also, I need to install a 10 micron fuel filter. I'm open to any and all ideas. Thanks
74 Challenger, bought it new. In 1978 I replaced the original 318 with a 446 and 727. Mild cam, Jardine headers, and Holley Sniper EFI. New engine! 511" RB, Edelbrock Performer RPM heads, Eagle rotating assy, Comp hyd roller cam, Doug's 2" headers.
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Re: EFI conversion
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I copied this image from Summit Racing. It shows the fuel outlet. It is just a standard tube with a formed barb on the end. I don't know if a worm drive clamp would stand up to 60 or so psi.
74 Challenger, bought it new. In 1978 I replaced the original 318 with a 446 and 727. Mild cam, Jardine headers, and Holley Sniper EFI. New engine! 511" RB, Edelbrock Performer RPM heads, Eagle rotating assy, Comp hyd roller cam, Doug's 2" headers.
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Re: EFI conversion
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That must be the wrong photo, an efi tank won't have a hose Barb end like that
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Re: EFI conversion
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I copied this image from Summit Racing. It shows the fuel outlet. It is just a standard tube with a formed barb on the end. I don't know if a worm drive clamp would stand up to 60 or so psi. Those hose barbs are for the fuel vent system to allow the fuel tank to get full ![scope scope](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/scope.gif) they are not part of the pressure system ![tsk tsk](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/tsk.gif)
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Re: EFI conversion
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Additional Googling says that Spectra puts barb fittings on lots of their EFI tanks on the fuel supply/return. You have a couple options. -Chop the barb off and weld an AN fitting to the end. -Chop the barb off, put a 37* flare on it that mates up to AN fittings. https://www.amazon.com/Deluxe-Degree-Line-Flaring-Tool/dp/B01N1566TZ-Chop the barb off and use one of the tube to AN fitting adapters. Up to you, they are allegedly not rated for EFI pressures but many people say they use them for EFI conversions: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-2200077b-Leave the barb, buy appropriately rated EFI fuel hose, and then use Oetiker clamps to secure it: https://www.amazon.com/Oetiker-18500060-...MKC2SF7S76H1KFZ The Oetiker clamps are much better than a standard worm clamp but you need to use the appropriate crimping tool with them.
Last edited by Blusmbl; 01/05/19 12:01 PM. Reason: added flare option
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Re: EFI conversion
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Spectra EFI tanks have barbed fittings. Just use the common Push Lock rubber EFI hose you can get from anyone(Earls, Aeroquip, Etc.) and use EFI hose clamps on the barb ends. The rubber EFI hose and clamps are common in alot of EFI fuel system kits you get now. You are only working with 60psi on the high end for pressure. I have done a few kits with rubber hose and have not had any issues.
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Re: EFI conversion
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No problem using barbed fittings with hi pressure efi if you use the correct hose and clamps. Most parts stores have efi specific hose in stock, and the correct clamps. Here is what the clamps look like...
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Re: EFI conversion
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No problem using barbed fittings with hi pressure efi if you use the correct hose and clamps. Most parts stores have efi specific hose in stock, and the correct clamps. Here is what the clamps look like... Yes, use EFI hose clamps like above, and EFI rated fuel line. The supply line is 3/8", but I think the return is 5/16" (about 8mm.) Here is what I used to adapt my B-Body Spectra tank to -6 AN: Aeromotive 15635 AN-06 Male Flare to 5/16 Barbed end. Derale 98204-6AN male x 3/8" AN Hose Barb Fitting. XtremeAmazing replacement for AAS 5/16" Fuel Injection Hose Clamps FI6 (Pack of 10) 1/2" - 9/16" Dia. XtremeAmazing Replacemnt AAS 3/8" Fuel Injection Hose Clamps FI8 (Pack of 10) 9/16" - 5/8" Dia. Gates 27348 Barricade MPI Fuel Line Hose (5/16" x 15') Gates 27349 Barricade MPI Fuel Line Hose (3/8" x 15') Got all the above off Amazon, but prices were cheaper a few years ago, so might check around for better prices. Low cost fuel filter would be the GM EFI type filter. K&N makes a factory replacement, part #PF-1000, I think about $12. That filter has 16mm threaded ends, so you need a 16mm x 1.5mm to -6AN adaptors (2). I used Earls #991955ERL ($8.75 each.) I think the GM / PF-1000 filter is 10 micron, I could not find the specific filter specs on it. I am using it on my Convertible with the Edelbrock XT EFI. On the Charger, I have the K&N #81-1000 filter. it has a 25 micron stainless steel screen filter, but costs $119. using it with the FiTech EFI. Got the filters and adaptors from Summit Racing.
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Re: EFI conversion
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Yes, use EFI hose clamps like above, and EFI rated fuel line. The supply line is 3/8", but I think the return is 5/16" (about 8mm.)
Here is what I used to adapt my B-Body Spectra tank to -6 AN: Aeromotive 15635 AN-06 Male Flare to 5/16 Barbed end. Derale 98204-6AN male x 3/8" AN Hose Barb Fitting. XtremeAmazing replacement for AAS 5/16" Fuel Injection Hose Clamps FI6 (Pack of 10) 1/2" - 9/16" Dia. XtremeAmazing Replacemnt AAS 3/8" Fuel Injection Hose Clamps FI8 (Pack of 10) 9/16" - 5/8" Dia. Gates 27348 Barricade MPI Fuel Line Hose (5/16" x 15') Gates 27349 Barricade MPI Fuel Line Hose (3/8" x 15')
Got all the above off Amazon, but prices were cheaper a few years ago, so might check around for better prices.
Low cost fuel filter would be the GM EFI type filter. K&N makes a factory replacement, part #PF-1000, I think about $12. That filter has 16mm threaded ends, so you need a 16mm x 1.5mm to -6AN adaptors (2). I used Earls #991955ERL ($8.75 each.)
I think the GM / PF-1000 filter is 10 micron, I could not find the specific filter specs on it. I am using it on my Convertible with the Edelbrock XT EFI. On the Charger, I have the K&N #81-1000 filter. it has a 25 micron stainless steel screen filter, but costs $119. using it with the FiTech EFI.
Got the filters and adapters from Summit Racing.
Thanks for that info. It appears that you have done what I need to do. I found a Holley10 micron filter that has the hose barbs on each end. I'm thinking that I'll connect it to the fuel line in the engine bay and then go to AN with one of the adapters that you linked to. I saw somewhere that I should put a pressure gauge in the supply line. Did you do that?
74 Challenger, bought it new. In 1978 I replaced the original 318 with a 446 and 727. Mild cam, Jardine headers, and Holley Sniper EFI. New engine! 511" RB, Edelbrock Performer RPM heads, Eagle rotating assy, Comp hyd roller cam, Doug's 2" headers.
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Re: EFI conversion
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Those parts are cool, easier than ever. Will they pass tech at the track? Are there any efi specific rules?
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Sounds like you're on the way. I highly recommend a pressure gauge. It is the first thing to check if you have any problems with the EFI system. Too bad you have the base level Sniper. I always recommend people spend the extra $200 and get the Super Sniper. The Super Sniper allows you to track oil pressure and fuel pressure electronically so you can see the values on the dash or in the data log. I didn't feel that was necessary for my street driven car. OP didn't ask about passing tech. That is a different question with a different answer. NHRA usually only allows short sections of rubber line so you'll need hard line or AN lines to pass tech. I am using hard line from the tank to the front.
74 Challenger, bought it new. In 1978 I replaced the original 318 with a 446 and 727. Mild cam, Jardine headers, and Holley Sniper EFI. New engine! 511" RB, Edelbrock Performer RPM heads, Eagle rotating assy, Comp hyd roller cam, Doug's 2" headers.
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Re: EFI conversion
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I should put a pressure gauge in the supply line AFAIK it goes after the regulator, most EFI assumes 43.5 psi for selecting injector size and duty cycle.
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