Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler???
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Google is your friend, check out Kentucky High Tech race transporter lift gates and Feather lite race transporters . By the way I think your truck will make a great hauler. You'll make money by not having to buy trailer tires over and over. 3-4 thousand pounds in the back of that truck, piece of cake. And for maintenance , I would think changing the fluids once year unless your a pro racer who drives coast to coast multiple times per year you'll be all set.
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Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler???
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12/27/18 02:17 AM
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Thanks Google is your friend, check out Kentucky High Tech race transporter lift gates and Feather lite race transporters . By the way I think your truck will make a great hauler. You'll make money by not having to buy trailer tires over and over. 3-4 thousand pounds in the back of that truck, piece of cake. And for maintenance , I would think changing the fluids once year unless your a pro racer who drives coast to coast multiple times per year you'll be all set.
Doug
MOPAR or NO CAR!!! 1965 Dodge Coronet soon a 6.1 Hemi with a Magnson blower 810 hp on pump gas 1964 Dodge Polara 582" Indy alum Block 426-1RA heads, 1933 Plymouth PE all Steel, LT1 4L60E 1959 Plymouth Savoy 33,000 mile survivor Old cars are never done. They are ongoing projects!
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Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler???
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It is a 25’ box with a 4’ overcab. Bed above the cab, shower and toilet in a small bathroom in the left front corner of the box. Small kitchenette next to bathroom and stairs on far right for cabover bed. 22’ of floor space left. Hot water heater/plumbing, electrical, generator in boxes on driver side of truck. Tool boxes, jack, and chairs and BBQ in right side under boxes and a split Air unit mount on top of cab with air damn around it. 11/2” foam insulation in walls and 2” in roof. Not sure if I’m going to put a Gemini stacker lift in it. The inside is 9’ so I will need to do some further investigation. Either way it will get finished out like a toy hauler with windows interior paneling and outlets to run higher end air mattresses. The unit will have carbon air filtration and ozone to remove any gas, oil and car odors. Once I figure out the lift works for me or not I found 13’ long aluminum ramps 10k axle capacity to possibly extend the lift gate. The cab will be updated with Nav, 13” dvd TVs and black zebra wood overlay on dash and doors and new carpet. Seats are clean and perfect with dr seatair ride. We will see how it turns out.
Doug
MOPAR or NO CAR!!! 1965 Dodge Coronet soon a 6.1 Hemi with a Magnson blower 810 hp on pump gas 1964 Dodge Polara 582" Indy alum Block 426-1RA heads, 1933 Plymouth PE all Steel, LT1 4L60E 1959 Plymouth Savoy 33,000 mile survivor Old cars are never done. They are ongoing projects!
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Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler???
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12/27/18 12:24 PM
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Thanks Google is your friend, check out Kentucky High Tech race transporter lift gates and Feather lite race transporters . By the way I think your truck will make a great hauler. You'll make money by not having to buy trailer tires over and over. 3-4 thousand pounds in the back of that truck, piece of cake. And for maintenance , I would think changing the fluids once year unless your a pro racer who drives coast to coast multiple times per year you'll be all set. No matter how robust a truck may be, its handling is effected by weight distribution, anything high up, and to the rear of the rear axle, with high side walls, gets real squirrelly in high winds and/or rough roads. Air ride does not help unless you have rear swaybars. A car lifter rail gate is heavy by itself, and unfortunately, all the weight is at the very rear, and above the floor. maybe in your conversion to a RV, you can add up front a cast iron bath tub for balance. ![biggrin biggrin](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/biggrin.gif) This load balance issue is very difficult to correct after the fact. The pictured truck already has significant rear overhang, IMO.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler???
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I think I would try to locate a used cheep small travel trailer to pull out the items you need , toilet , holding tank, fresh water tank etc. Hopefully the tanks will fit in the underbody storage compartments.
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Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler???
[Re: jcc]
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12/27/18 08:13 PM
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I agree on the balance of weight. The holding tanks and other things will be mounted as far forward as possible.i have access to large scales and it will be taken in to consideration. Not sure on the lift inside yet. Thanks for the input. No matter how robust a truck may be, its handling is effected by weight distribution, anything high up, and to the rear of the rear axle, with high side walls, gets real squirrelly in high winds and/or rough roads. Air ride does not help unless you have rear swaybars. A car lifter rail gate is heavy by itself, and unfortunately, all the weight is at the very rear, and above the floor. maybe in your conversion to a RV, you can add up front a cast iron bath tub for balance. ![biggrin biggrin](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/biggrin.gif) This load balance issue is very difficult to correct after the fact. The pictured truck already has significant rear overhang, IMO. [/quote]
Doug
MOPAR or NO CAR!!! 1965 Dodge Coronet soon a 6.1 Hemi with a Magnson blower 810 hp on pump gas 1964 Dodge Polara 582" Indy alum Block 426-1RA heads, 1933 Plymouth PE all Steel, LT1 4L60E 1959 Plymouth Savoy 33,000 mile survivor Old cars are never done. They are ongoing projects!
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Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler???
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These are great ideas! Thanks. Not wanting to use low end items so I’m buying all new. Ronco plastics in Ca can make any size/shape tank I need. I will be using a porcelain RV toilet and a full massage shower enclosure. This should keep the wife and kids comfortable and happy. I sold a 42’ diesel pusher not long ago so my wife will need some comfort. I think I would try to locate a used cheep small travel trailer to pull out the items you need , toilet , holding tank, fresh water tank etc. Hopefully the tanks will fit in the underbody storage compartments.
Doug
MOPAR or NO CAR!!! 1965 Dodge Coronet soon a 6.1 Hemi with a Magnson blower 810 hp on pump gas 1964 Dodge Polara 582" Indy alum Block 426-1RA heads, 1933 Plymouth PE all Steel, LT1 4L60E 1959 Plymouth Savoy 33,000 mile survivor Old cars are never done. They are ongoing projects!
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Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler???
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12/27/18 09:38 PM
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I agree on the balance of weight. The holding tanks and other things will be mounted as far forward as possible.i have access to large scales and it will be taken in to consideration. Not sure on the lift inside yet. Thanks for the input. No matter how robust a truck may be, its handling is effected by weight distribution, anything high up, and to the rear of the rear axle, with high side walls, gets real squirrelly in high winds and/or rough roads. Air ride does not help unless you have rear swaybars. A car lifter rail gate is heavy by itself, and unfortunately, all the weight is at the very rear, and above the floor. maybe in your conversion to a RV, you can add up front a cast iron bath tub for balance. ![biggrin biggrin](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/biggrin.gif) This load balance issue is very difficult to correct after the fact. The pictured truck already has significant rear overhang, IMO. [/quote] That is a 6500 series GMC which should be rated for a 5 ton payload. It will haul a 3000 odd lb race car around like it isn't there. The centre of gravity of a car is probably no higher than a pallet of beer and probably doesn't weigh any more that 2 pallets. Kevin
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Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler???
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12/27/18 10:25 PM
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Over on the truck conversion forums, there is a concern about getting too much weight on the front axle (over weight capacity). The consensus there is to move as much weight rearward as possible. Lots of weight carrying capability back there. Just to clarify, my concern mentioned about was not the amount of weight, its the balance between the rear and the front axle, AND if a lot of that weight is rear of rear axle, its not fun to drive. I believe others that have driven poorly balanced load straight trucks can confirm. I also believe a "stacker" puts a car lot higher then ground stacked normal pallet loads, if I understand the correct use here of a car hauler "stacker".
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler???
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12/28/18 01:11 PM
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The rear axle will be rated at 20,000 lbs, the front will be 12,000 lbs. That's 32,000 lbs gross weight. I'm pretty sure he intends to haul the car on the floor of the box.
Kevin How do you know the above mentioned info, I didn't see the OP share it.
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Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler???
[Re: jcc]
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12/28/18 11:54 PM
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The rear axle will be rated at 20,000 lbs, the front will be 12,000 lbs. That's 32,000 lbs gross weight. I'm pretty sure he intends to haul the car on the floor of the box.
Kevin How do you know the above mentioned info, I didn't see the OP share it. It could be spec'd lighter but 10 stud hubs usually indicate a 12/20 combo. Air ride suspension is only available on 19,000 lb axles and bigger so I think it's safe to assume it's more than sufficient. https://www.gmupfitter.com/files/media/photo/191/2008_MD_ConventionalCab2.pdfKevin
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Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler???
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12/29/18 12:10 AM
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As long as you mention the assume part for the OP, it makes sense, however my experience with custom ordered trucks, you can order nearly anything custom, and GVW will be limited by the weakest link of the build specs, be that tires, brakes, drivetrain, axles, frame rails (alloy/size), suspension, rims, tires, etc. I am sure there are plenty of combinations the OEM will not build. But if the customer wants a 26K GVW with big brakes rated for much higher GVW, they likely can build it, for example. The OP's truck might be custom spec'd, and as I touched on before, needs to be careful he doesn't build himself into an expensive corner that is not suitable for his needs.
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Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler???
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12/29/18 10:04 AM
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We just bought a 2018 F-750 at work. for $120 ford takes takes the 33,000 GVW sticker off and slaps one on that says 25,999lbs to keep you out of CDL territory. So there is no telling how his truck is rated, i agree it should be sufficient though.
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Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler???
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12/29/18 04:40 PM
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We just bought a 2018 F-750 at work. for $120 ford takes takes the 33,000 GVW sticker off and slaps one on that says 25,999lbs to keep you out of CDL territory. So there is no telling how his truck is rated, i agree it should be sufficient though. Never heard of that option before. Sounds strange. Also a loophole to escape excise taxes, that would likely close in the future. edit: In this case I believe "heavy" means over 55K GVW?, https://www.ttnews.com/articles/senate-bill-would-repeal-federal-excise-tax-heavy-truck-sales
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