Factory 318 Race Engine?
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11/26/18 04:16 AM
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While perusing my local classifieds today, I came across an ad of someone selling a 318 race engine. Mind you, I have no specs for this engine, but the guy showed a page from a book, listing casting numbers for Mopar engines. Next to the casting number, it listed the engine size and years produced, however, next to this casting number it just said 318 LA race engine. 4104320 LA race engine. I could not tell from the picture what book this was from. Can anyone shed some light on this, is it some special block? Thanks.
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Re: Factory 318 Race Engine?
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11/27/18 12:21 AM
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On a side note: Back when we ran in the dirt track hobby car class, we were always points racing. There were generally 30-40 cars in our class through out a year. The end of the season points paid pretty good money, but only to the top 10 in the standings. With us always being always broke, that point money often helped us get set up for another year. For 14 of the 15 years we ran that class, our little poorly funded Mopar managed to finish in the top 10 in point standings. One reason we were able to do so was because we never missed a week. Generally, our motor of choice was a 383 or 400, but there were times we simply didn't have a reliable 383 or 400. We did have a backup 318 motor & trans though. The 318 had 340/360 heads, a non stock cam, a good carb and a good dist. Though well under the power our big blocks, the 318 did pretty well in the well handling car.
Most of the guys we were running with knew when we were running the 318 (it sounded different), but most couldn't tell we were down on power because of the way we finished, not much off our normal pace. At some point in time, someone recognized we had a small block on the days it sounded different and questioned me. I told him we had our special race 318 in the car. I told him it was a factory specialty race motor and we didn't run it often because it was so valuable, far too valuable to destroy in a hobby class car. Most of the Chevy and Ford guys had no idea what kind of "special" motors Chrysler built, so many accepted my word. The ones that knew, would smile and go along. It was just part of the fun back then.
So, I'm hearing about this race 318, and I'm wondering if someone has our old backup motor...
My one buddy always had Mopar motors. To him, any thing with a factory 4 bbl carb was a "police Pursuit" motor. He was thrilled one time to find a mid 80s Diplomat with a 318 Police Pursuit motor in it.
Gotta watch those 318s, you never know when a Race Special version will show up. Gene
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Re: Factory 318 Race Engine?
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11/27/18 06:56 PM
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Didn't some of the factory R series blocks come with a 318 bore size? 3.910 wasn't it. Maybe that is what the OP is referring to?
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Re: Factory 318 Race Engine?
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11/28/18 01:07 PM
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Didn't some of the factory R series blocks come with a 318 bore size? 3.910 wasn't it. Maybe that is what the OP is referring to? I think so myself, but no part numbers to back that up.
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Re: Factory 318 Race Engine?
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11/28/18 05:14 PM
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This is the page that the seller shows in the ad. Researching this I found that someone on forabodiesonly, ran across one of these engines last year. The consensus was that these blocks, while having the same outer dimensions, were cast with thicker webbing inside, more metal around the bores and 4 bolt mains. I can neither confirm or deny this information.
Mopar Muscle Cars Technical Info Mopar Forum Mopar Engines Mopar Pictures Search
Mopar Engine Casting Numbers
Here is a list of Mopar Engine Casting Numbers. They cover a wide range of engines including the popular 318, 340, 383, 400, 413, 426, and 440 engines. You can find your casting number on the left hand side of your engine. Don’t get this confused with the partial VIN number that is also stamped in your engine which is on the right hand side of your engine. Hopefully you will find this list helpful. CASTING NUMBER SIZE FAMILY YEARS OTHER COMMENTS 1737629 361 1961 - 1964 1851629 413 RB 1961 1852029 413 RB 1962 1852029 413 RB 1962-63 1852029 426 RB 1962-65 2120229 361 B 2120329 383 RB 1959-60 2120429 361 B 2120529 413 RB 1959-65 2128854 361 or 383 B 1964 2202843 170 G 2202857 225 RG 2205528 225 RG 2205630 170 G 2205697 413 or 426 RB 1959-65 2205712 361 B 1958-66 2264230 318 A 1960-67 2264478 170 G 2406730 426 RB 1963-65 2440873 426 RB 2463230 170 G 1965 2463252 273 LA 2463430 225 RG 1966 2465330 273 LA 1964-66 2466090 318 LA 2468030 413 or 426 RB 2468130 383 B 1959-71 2468230 318 A 2468330 426 RB 1964-65 2468330 426 RB 1966-71 HEMI 2532130 383 B 1965 2532230 426 RB 1964-66 Wedge 2532630 318 A 2536030 318 LA 1967-75 2536130 273 LA 1965 2536430 440 RB 1966-72 2566080 318 LA 2586430 ??? ?? ???? Contact Us If You Have Info 2658836 426 RB 2658930 361 B 1965 2780930 340 LA 1968-73 Not T/A or AAR 2806030 273 LA 1966-69 2806030 318 LA 1961-74 2806130 273 LA 1965-69 2806830 225 RG 2899830 383 B 1970 3418496 360 LA 1971-74 3577130TA 340 TA LA 1970-71 T/A and AAR 3614230 400 B 1971-72 3698630 400 B 1973-78 3698830 440 RB 1972-78 3810230 360 LA 1975-78 4006530 400 B 1976-78 4006630 440 RB 1975-78 4104230 318 LA Race Engine 4179930 360 LA
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Re: Factory 318 Race Engine?
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11/28/18 08:49 PM
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Must be the optional engine if you didn't want the base 383 Hemi.
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Re: Factory 318 Race Engine?
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11/29/18 12:49 AM
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I remember that short lived experiment. Wonder what the thinking was on Weslake not leaning the intake banks over, injector position took priority over air flow path?
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Factory 318 Race Engine?
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11/29/18 01:50 PM
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Wasn't there a 318CI engine built for Indy car racing in the 70's? Weslake 318 Very interesting article, however as related to this thread: "Based off of a production 318 LA series small block" No 318 race block here...
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Re: Factory 318 Race Engine?
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11/29/18 03:36 PM
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Theoretically a race block could be said to be based off the stock block as well, just you know, beefed up in the spots the stock block is weak.
If you look at the evolution of stock blocks improvements are made all the time and they are generally based on the original design, but improved.
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