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03/17/09 08:16 PM
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how do you time a 318 without a timing light?? is it possible?? find #1 cyl TDC and point the distributor rotor to #1 on cap?? is this correct??

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I'd put the marks on 10BTDC (#1 compression), rotor pointed at(or as close to as your phasing will let it) #1 plug tower & grab the vac can & move the housing(slightly) until the reluctor is on the magnet then move the housing CCW slightly so that the reluctor is just starting to move away from the magnet,snug it down but loose enough so you can still turn it when you put a light on it.


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03/17/09 08:34 PM
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ok i feel real really dumb at this point. could you explain that a little better if you don't mind. i understand 10 BTDC but the rest lost me.

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03/17/09 08:42 PM
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earlier today i pulled the distributer and turned it so it was facing #1 wire on cap and #1 cyl at TDC and the carb started back firing with no engine start. put it back to what i see as 180 deg. out and started up.

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Josh we are all at where we are at any given point in time. As you said which ever tower the rotor is pointing to is #1 & turn the dist housing so the nearest reluctor tooth is lined up with the magnet(take the rotor back out to see this easily) then turn the housing just a bit more CCW so that the magnet starts to move away from the reluctor tooth.


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and started up.


If it's running all that's left is to get a light.


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If you have points ignition you can "static" time an engine pretty closely, and even if you have electronic igntion, you can get it close with practice.

Here's how you do it.

If the dist is / has been out, pull no. 1 plug, and while sticking a finger in the hole, bump the engine around while watching the marks. You want the cylinder to blow your finger forcibly out of the hole AS the marks come "up to" the timing area. This tells you that you are on no1 ready to fire. Now move the engine until the timing marks are where you want, let's say 10* BTC

Now install the dist with the rotor pointing where you want---you only have two choices. Mark the top rim of the dist as to the no1 plug wire tower. With the rotor pointing (directly above) your mark, on a BB move the dist CCW, then SLOWLY do the following:

The points should now be closed. Turn on the key, and put a test lamp across the points. As you get practice, you can do this without the lamp. SLOWLY move the dist cw, and at some point the lamp should light. THIS IS EXACTLY where you want the dist. You might want to repeat this until you get it right.

With electronic ign, you can do the same thing---pull the main coil wire, put it where you can see it spark, or hook to a plug against the block. As above, (BB engine) turn the dist ccw, then slowly come back cw APPROACHING AND PAST your mark on the dist rim for no1 tower. At some point the reluctor will pass the pickup, and if you practice, you can generate a spark. You can also visually adjust the dist. so the reluctor is just barely passing the magnet center core of the pickup.

With practice you can set the timing pretty closely.

For a SB you reverse the rotation---CCW advances the dist on a SB

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so where the rotor is pointing at cyl #1 TDC is gonna be tower #1 not where plug wire #1 comes to the cap? and the reluctor is the star looking thing that moves past the stationary magnet correct?

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so where the rotor is pointing at cyl #1 TDC is gonna be tower #1 not where plug wire #1 comes to the cap? and the reluctor is the star looking thing that moves past the stationary magnet correct?


(1) move the #1 cyl plug wire from the tower that is in to the tower that the rotor is pointing to. (2) correct


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Re: 318 timing [Re: RapidRobert] #257438
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won't that chane the firing order??? is mine off?? and if you were to switch it wouldn't that be the same as 180 out??

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Have the rotor pointed toward the front of the eng. As you know it can only go pointed forwards or to the rear(180 out) so point it to the front, get the reluctor positioned then the tower that the rotor is now pointing to is now #1. Plug the cyl #1 wire into it & going clockwise the next tower is #8 & plug the #8 cyl plug wire into that socket & continue on around CW in this order 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 so finish out #4 then 3 then 6 then 5 then 7 then 2


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so the rotor needs to be toward the front. any idea more towards driver or pass side?? the vacumm advance should be on driver or pass??

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so the rotor needs to be toward the front. any idea more towards driver or pass side?? the vacumm advance should be on driver or pass??


(1) It'll drop only at one point(pointed toward the front(& that's perfect). (2) passenger


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Re: 318 timing [Re: RapidRobert] #257442
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i did that earlier and it just backfired out of the carb as if it were 180 out. is the reluctor and magnet posision that important for the vehicle to run? i really appreciate all your time helping me

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put the timing marks at 10BTDC or TDC if you prefer with the rotor facing rearward then lift the dist up & move the rotor(180) to the front & drop it & go thru the reluctor routine again. You were on #6 compression instead of #1 firing. Thank you & I am glad to help & I get helped here every day(in more ways than 1 )Edit & if you were on #1 compression then check that the reluctor "star" is lined up with the long thin magnet then the star moved a slight bit clockwise past the magnet by moving the housing (magnet) CCW.

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so 10 BTDC will bring the rotor to point to the front?? my #1 tower is where the rotor will point at 10 BTDC???

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make sure you are on the COMPRESSION stroke then put the rotor towards the front. at 10btdc the tower that the rotor is pointing closest to will be #1. It's usually not dead on(that's a rotor phasing issue) that we can(& will) cover later but this will get you started & in good shape for now


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Re: 318 timing [Re: RapidRobert] #257446
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OK SO I WAS JUST OUT MESSING WITH IT AND ITS RUNNING GOOD ENOUGH TO DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD. WHEN I WAS TINKERING I NOTICED a burning smell. my electric choke for my carb runs to a pocelen conector on the firewall. it seemeed to be after i disconected this power wire. could this have been my problem??? and i was judgeing 10 BTDC off the degree maker by the balencer. is this a no no?? and the front of the rotor to you is the part with metal correct?? just wanna make sure we are on the same page.

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thank you again eveyone that help today. any more pointers or info e-mail me

joshuasmithauto@yahoo.com

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my electric choke for my carb runs to a pocelen conector on the firewall. and the front of the rotor to you is the part with metal correct?? just wanna make sure we are on the same page.


Is this the porcelin connector? If so you can run the electric choke to the opposite side of the one that has the brown & blue wires on it. the front of the rotor is the flat metal end on the outer edge.

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