LOL!

Quoted for truth. The LS is an UGLY engine. So is the "new" Hemi. These engines are so ugly they make covers for them.

Sad

You missed (or ignored) the point.

David K. said the only reason for a shorter deck height was improving header clearance. The linked article outlined how NHRA Pro Stock engine programs found numerous performance benefits associated with shorter deck heights.

Simply because those improvements might be comparably insignificant for engines making below what a modern Pro Stock makes doesn't mean it's not a better approach when you can apply it.

Clueless........

Nice, great job with this post. Like I have said before these blocks are a work of Art and the improvements you can not see are fantastic unless you look at the Schematics or blue prints. Your list of improvements is great read all Darren has posted. One of my friends that found a Main stud in the bottom of his oil pan that should of been in the main of his Indy Block after 8.70 passes that weekend and the stud ends up in the pan. Guess what block he is waiting to come in for his next Hemi Build, the New KB Block. Great job to all that were involved to make it come together. Some time you wonder why you can not get a few of the builders on the phone or it takes so long to build your hemi motor this is because they have been busy trying to improve the block with a better product and really have built a better mouse trap than was offered prior to this block.

I'm very impressed. That looks like great value to me. I've dealt with the cheaper alternatives and cheaper isn't generally better value.

Thank you for the explanation Darren. It makes sense to me that most people at this level would want big cubes.

Attitudes like that make it real hard to stay on this website at all. I've been a member here since about 2004 off and on.

I bought the car to go racing, not hope that the mopar block gods would start making blocks again someday.

I actually don't care what anybody thinks about the car having a bbc engine, pg trans and a ford rear end.

If you don't like my 4130 tube chassis 70 challenger that has a title and build sheet, look for another one.

So why come on a Keith Black MOPAR post and tell us about your Chevy love.

John has a strong point there!!!!!

I don't know if you are stupid or just can't read, could be both. So I will quote my original post. Try and read the last line, SLOWWWWW.

I don't know if you are stupid or just can't read, could be both. So I will quote my original post. Try and read the last line, SLOWWWWW.

It doesn't matter what you have Moetown. Some people just don't get the guys that like to turn on win lights, even if it's with a purpose built race engine without the Pentastar. They don't understand why someone wouldn't sit around years with money paid for, but waiting for a block.

I applaud Darren and crew for sticking with this project and making good on promises another guy wasn't willing to make right, and collected money for something another person delivered. Heck, if people listened to Pittsburgh Racer, Darren and crew would have had a lot more blocks to supply for free.

I'm glad for people like Darren, Todd, Ray, and Tim. They are the only reason these are available.

LOL. Dragster guys don't count.

I would buy a low deck block today if one were available.

IMO and FWIW a 60/65MM cam core is not something necessary for almost anyone building one. Not to mention the 60/65MM cores for Wedge headed deals are not exactly sitting on shelves everywhere if anywhere right now. I have a Wedge block on order and was wanting a 55MM core as we already have the cams and for what I'm doing a 60/65 is an additional unneeded expense. Sure would like to hear the rationale behind this decision. For a boosted Hemi or a max effort NA deal I might understand it but for the overwhelming majority of these builds I just cannot see it. I have a 60 in my Predator and it makes sense there, we also have one in the SBC Heads up deal, but we are talking 10K plus RPM with it.

^^^Always wonder the advantages of the 60/65 roller option^^^

Generally speaking
The trend in drag engines is Bigger, bigger, bigger
Look at Kasse, Leonard, Shaffirof's , Bucks's etc
They are in the 900 CI range every day so looking at those Beautiful new Mopar blocks that you have all waited a decade on and whining about wanting a low deck just seems silly to me
But hey..it is the norm on here

And that Chevy Love deal? Like the man says I race both I love any combo that runs good and fulfills my love of V-8 song and like the other guys says--Glide and 9 in Ford in a Mopar? What do you call that? Most likely a winner with a reliable trans brake

Ya'll have fun on this topic
Thanks to the KB guys that yanked those blocks to the finish line!!!

No doubt the Chrysler guys are always late for the party. A low deck is just plain ridiculous when 95% (or more) of the builds done today need a tall deck and it will only be a higher percentage as time goes by.

The low deck deal is no different than running stock style rockers. Guys wouldn't buy W-2 heads because they had to buy rockers. It's insane really.

I always thought the Predator head was a giant waste without a 5.0 bore space block. A 4.800 or even the 4.840 bore space is just too damn tight for any meaningful power.

I'll be dead in a relatively short time frame (I'm getting old) and I've waited my entire adult life for the Chrysler crowd to grow up and realize if you want to go fast, you don't do it with 1960's technology. I mean really, the B-1 head in all its machinations is at very best, early 1990's stuff. Yet we want a new head from TF that takes stock everything for both engine platforms.

The G3 hemi will be the exact same. The GM and Dorf crowd will spend enough money to obsolete whatever Fiat decides they want to spend on. And when the time comes to spend more money on non-OE parts that's where that platform will stall.


Look at what Bob Book is doing with the SB platform using blocks that are early 2000's crap. What if he had something updated? He'd KILL the record even more. But I digress. We all know the outcome. Maskin isn't a raving lunatic. He knows the market. If any blocks are ever produced (which I put in the 1% range) it will fade quickly. Evidently, I've never had my hands on a Ritter block, but we hear the squealing from guys who don't think they should have to line hone or deck a block after buying it! Maybe the Ritter is no better than a 2001 weak ass turd, but I doubt that. Book is no dummy so I'm assuming he's looked into the Ritter stuff. I'm not sure why Ritter and Book couldn't get together and make what Kent already has more than what he needs. Ego and politics certainly factor in.


Anyway, rant off.

Low deck is the hip deal in Pro stock etc because they get it--Bigger bore shorter stroke makes HP!! BUT..you have to turn it insane amount of RPM
Well...Not insane for Them with the finest parts on the planet BUT for us--the ones on this site that mostly bracket race--High RPM builds are silly if you are doing them on an average racers budget and if you have a budget well..you call an engine shop tell them what you weigh, trans, etc and how fast you want to go then you go pay up and load up and you DO NOT design it yourself--Because you do not know what they know
Just because you have scissors--don't make you a barber

Obsolete PS stuff is available for pennies on the dollar, if you have a class that fits 500 inch type builds. Around here, you have classes for 565/582 and 632 inch stuff most commonly, so that's where we're looking for parts. S/F....Ken M