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Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: Keith Black®] #2569909
10/26/18 06:50 PM
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This is great news.
The new block is priced about right for the improvements incorporated in it.

The news is too late to help me now, I ended up going with a BBC, so I will be able to get the car out.

My car was built for a KB hemi, I still have the hemi headers and motor plates. So a new KB hemi will be an option for me in about a year.

Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: Skeptic] #2569918
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Originally Posted By Skeptic
Originally Posted By crabman173
Chevy guys always going for taller decks and wider spacing only Mopar guys want a damn low deck--just so headers fit better????? LOL
Forget That and just keep on like you are doing which is...Fantastic! Hats off to all of the crew that has made this possible--and now you guys get to buy from a business man vs buying from uhh...starts with a C
Since the regular BBC is .180" shorter than a LOW deck and a the BBC "tall" deck is .525" shorter than an RB, they really start out on the short end of the stick.


which is why it fits better in a lot of applications


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Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: ] #2569954
10/26/18 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted By crabman173
Chevy guys always going for taller decks and wider spacing only Mopar guys want a damn low deck--just so headers fit better????? LOL
Forget That and just keep on like you are doing which is...Fantastic! Hats off to all of the crew that has made this possible--and now you guys get to buy from a business man vs buying from uhh...starts with a C


Nope has nothing to do with headers. Its hood clearance. I don't want to run an ugly aero scoop or misproportioned hemi scoop(you pick the year. They all turn ugly once the dimensions are changed).

The next choice is a cowl which is fine but they get stupid looking the taller they get.

For those that think the price is high the last few mega blocks I found were listed from $6500 and up.


Ok
Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: Keith Black®] #2569983
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Well done.
From a future customer.


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Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: Keith Black®] #2570011
10/26/18 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted By DarrenB
Originally Posted By sr4440
how did you determine that "The product line-up we have specified fits around 95% of the market for HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks."?
your saying less then 5% want a 400 deck block?
I have found that 86.4% of statistics are made up on the spot to support the persons view.


Joe


Lol Joe.
I have over 40 years of our manufacturing & sales data, plus the same from our Dealers (who represent substantially the larger part of all HEMI and WEDGE engine block sales today). I reckon I have a good understanding of the market size and segmentation & don't believe I have a "confirmation bias". The 5% includes not only 400 deck heights but every exception outside our core product lineup.

Still, we would look at it if we had the numbers just not in the next 4 or so months.




I have no problem waiting but if you decide that you need to gauge interest by taking a deposit, the only question i will ask is "where do i send my money"?

Joe


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Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: ] #2570016
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Originally Posted By crabman173
Chevy guys always going for taller decks and wider spacing only Mopar guys want a damn low deck--just so headers fit better????? LOL
Forget That and just keep on like you are doing which is...Fantastic! Hats off to all of the crew that has made this possible--and now you guys get to buy from a business man vs buying from uhh...starts with a C


When we built the roadster, we built it around a 400 block. in order to put a RB block in it, i would need to modify the chassis and the steering along with changing the hood line or adding a dry sump. Here's a fun fact, B1 heads/intake are designed for a 400 block.

Joe


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Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: Keith Black®] #2570022
10/26/18 10:58 PM
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Funny everyone complains there is nothing . Finally a quality item is produced and there is still complaints . Order now for a discount , pretty good
Anyone ex USA has it a lot tougher $ wise . I and others wish we could simply pay $7000.00 for a KB . I would be looking at closer to Aus$12000.00
I got lucky and found a new Workd block , and not for other brand price

Good luck Darren and partners . And thanks for the time you gave me to talk about the blocks . Maybe if Lotto comes up .


Tex


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Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: Keith Black®] #2570024
10/26/18 11:00 PM
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Well apparently the Hooker fenderwells will fit either a low deck or a tall deck sooooo.....

Although if I were to want a low deck I agree with AndyF, I would want the 440 crank journals in the block


Also do you have a weight on the wedge block? I printed the PDF and dont see a weight

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Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: Skeptic] #2570167
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Originally Posted By Skeptic
Originally Posted By crabman173
Chevy guys always going for taller decks and wider spacing only Mopar guys want a damn low deck--just so headers fit better????? LOL
Forget That and just keep on like you are doing which is...Fantastic! Hats off to all of the crew that has made this possible--and now you guys get to buy from a business man vs buying from uhh...starts with a C
Since the regular BBC is .180" shorter than a LOW deck and a the BBC "tall" deck is .525" shorter than an RB, they really start out on the short end of the stick.

Yes, I KNOW this isn't an apples-to-apples comparison, but the NHRA Pro Stock 500" engines have all been getting shorter over the years. I can't recall where I saw something online that went into details on how & why they've evolved in this direction. If I find it, I'll post a link. EDIT: LINK

As far as the block news, sweet... I'm not a prospective customer, but am happy to hear this is really happening for those that are. up


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Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: Keith Black®] #2570168
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I know this but Andy was right just stay with 440 main size and have some bearings to choose from and why can't tall and more CI be Ok? why do you all have to plan a Pro Stock engine?? Use what is out there go big and run fast simply

Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: Keith Black®] #2570177
10/27/18 12:13 PM
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Thank you Darren for bring back KB and moving the company and the sport forward.


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Some of us are so open minded they only see their View



Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: Keith Black®] #2570229
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I am a small block guy and probably not a future customer, however I appreciate what your company is doing for our sport.

Bill Lamb

Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: tex013] #2570258
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Originally Posted By tex013
Funny everyone complains there is nothing . Finally a quality item is produced and there is still complaints . Order now for a discount , pretty good
Anyone ex USA has it a lot tougher $ wise . I and others wish we could simply pay $7000.00 for a KB . I would be looking at closer to Aus$12000.00
I got lucky and found a new Workd block , and not for other brand price

Good luck Darren and partners . And thanks for the time you gave me to talk about the blocks . Maybe if Lotto comes up .


Tex


+1


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Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: Keith Black®] #2570305
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I'd want a low deck for 400"-480" wedge. But unless it's class rules why build that small? No reason I can think of. In that case tall deck for sure.
Doug

Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: BradH] #2570336
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Originally Posted By BradH
Originally Posted By Skeptic
Originally Posted By crabman173
Chevy guys always going for taller decks and wider spacing only Mopar guys want a damn low deck--just so headers fit better????? LOL
Forget That and just keep on like you are doing which is...Fantastic! Hats off to all of the crew that has made this possible--and now you guys get to buy from a business man vs buying from uhh...starts with a C
Since the regular BBC is .180" shorter than a LOW deck and a the BBC "tall" deck is .525" shorter than an RB, they really start out on the short end of the stick.

Yes, I KNOW this isn't an apples-to-apples comparison, but the NHRA Pro Stock 500" engines have all been getting shorter over the years. I can't recall where I saw something online that went into details on how & why they've evolved in this direction. If I find it, I'll post a link. EDIT: LINK

As far as the block news, sweet... I'm not a prospective customer, but am happy to hear this is really happening for those that are. up



Not everyone wants a 10,000 rpm engine.


526 cubes of angry wedge, pushbutton shifted, 9 passenger killer!
Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: Keith Black®] #2570341
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It is nice to finally hear something “right from the horses mouth”, so to say. Never was really certain what to believe before. Seems pricey, but my finished raised cam Indy block came in right under $8000.00 from Barton 3 1/2 years ago, so considering time and inflation, it’s not bad. As Moetown stated and did, I strayed and picked up a 583 ci aluminum block R-M BBC, it dyno’d over a 100 hp more than my 588 wedge and cost $8500.00 less to build, hard to let the economical sense in that go unnoticed when racing on your own nickel. I’m glad for those who are in need, and would at some point like to go with a bigger wedge, and it will be with this block. Jim


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Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: BANDIT] #2570350
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What I can’t understand is why the sell-out guys that switched to chevies still hang out on a Mopar website. Lots of good Chevy sites out there


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Race both of them buddy.


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Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: pittsburghracer] #2570376
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
What I can’t understand is why the sell-out guys that switched to chevies still hang out on a Mopar website. Lots of good Chevy sites out there


So a Mopar isn’t a Mopar, if it’s powered by a chevy?
So that means, a Mopar powered chevy, is a Mopar, and not a chevy?


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Re: Keith Black, Inc. - New HEMI and WEDGE engine blocks [Re: Spaceman Spiff] #2570378
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Originally Posted By Spaceman Spiff
Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
What I can’t understand is why the sell-out guys that switched to chevies still hang out on a Mopar website. Lots of good Chevy sites out there


So a Mopar isn’t a Mopar, if it’s powered by a chevy?
So that means, a Mopar powered chevy, is a Mopar, and not a chevy?



You got it. Just like an LS Chevy powered Duster. Junk


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