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Grill and Shaker Bubble....Use Same Argent? #256740
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For a '70 'Cuda does the grill and shaker bubble use the same Argent, or is the shaker lighter?

Re: Grill and Shaker Bubble....Use Same Argent? [Re: 6pkaar] #256741
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Depends on who you ask. I say yes.

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Depends on who you ask. I say yes.



Sorry to go against your wisdom Scott, but I've read and have seen that the grill is slightly darker than the bubble. In fact, aren't there 3 Argents (the third being for the Ralley wheels)?

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Like I said, depends on who you ask

There were different vendors making the grilles/bubbles/wheel centers, etc/ each mixed their own paint, and the shading varied a bit, but it's the same paint blend.

There were two textured argent colors used by Mopar over the years, one was light, and one was dark. Anything else is simply a variable according to who mixed it.

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Scott, Do you have a list "according to Scott" for what application the light argent and dark argent were used?

Re: Grill and Shaker Bubble....Use Same Argent? [Re: 6pkaar] #256745
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Maybe? Do want to buy a copy?

*If your car is a 70 Cuda you need Dark Argent on the bubble & grille, light argent on the center caps (Rallye Wheels), and light silver (non textured) on the rocker moldings. The lower valance insert would have been bare grey plastic from the factory in most cases, if you need to apint it the light silver (non textured) would be pretty close. A custom mix of paint matching "as molded" grey plastic would be more accurate as bare plastic doesn't have metallics in it.

As far as an accurate source for paint on all of the colors.....Good luck! There are weekly battles on Moparts as to who's products are more accurate. Personally I'd start with Mike at All Trim and start comparing from there.

Re: Grill and Shaker Bubble....Use Same Argent? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #256746
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HI Scott, to continue the weekly battle...

can/will you or ANYONE please post just ONE 100% original unrestored production line installed 1970 shaker scoop that is the EXACT same color as a production line installed original (unrestored) 1970 cuda grille? That being dk/med textured argent...

(NOT later sprayed NOS over the counter parts).



Mike

BTW is not about who's product is correct its about real world difference (night and day) in the two factory colors used on these parts.

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Re: Grill and Shaker Bubble....Use Same Argent? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #256747
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I talked to a local paint shop and supposedly they have everything to mix the "original" argent EXCEPT the metal flakes. They do have a smaller version of the flakes they said they could try to mix it with those. The guy I talked to at the paint shop said the person they sold their very last quart of argent to is now "mixing his own" using the filings from turning brake rotors!!

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I do not have examples of everything you asked for but here's a start. Original paint Shaker bubble

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I do not have examples of everything you asked for but here's a start. Original paint Shaker bubble




thank you that is (edit: appears) to be light textured argent.

edit: Do you have a full size mega pixel copy of that? also is that NOS or a production line 1970 installed part? that's what the debate is about...

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Re: Grill and Shaker Bubble....Use Same Argent? [Re: AllTrim Plus] #256751
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I don't remember Mike but I'll dig into it next week when I get back from Vegas, my other computer which has most of my good archive photos is out for a debugging.

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May 70 Challenger original paint, faded and dusty.
My opinion, alot closer to dark argent than light.
Mike

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October 69 Cuda orig paint, also looks dark. Unfortunatly original owner paintd the grill black over the argent so I can't show pics from the same car.
Mike

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Here's a couple pictures just taken, of a 70 Cuda grill headlite door set on top of the shaker scoop. Both were removed from the same car, rearended in 1973. Both are production line pieces.

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Here's another one. Both were stored above my garage out of direct sunlight all these years

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Here's another one. Both were stored above my garage out of direct sunlight all these years




Thx for posting Terry, it saves me the time to take the picture of my 70 survivor that hasn't seen the light of day since 72. And yes, my original bubble matches the grille.


Who was it that said they didn't match?

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Same shaker scoop against the grill.
I'll let you form your own opinion..... I have mine...
After a brief time of the very first argent shaker scoops being hand painted at Fram, I am told they were sent 20 miles up the road for painting to N.A.P.,the same facility that manufactured and painted 70 Barracuda grills.

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Here's another one. Both were stored above my garage out of direct sunlight all these years




Thx for posting Terry, it saves me the time to take the picture of my 70 survivor that hasn't seen the light of day since 72. And yes, my original bubble matches the grille.

Who was it that said they didn't match?




actually mike, it would be to the interest of this debate if you would take a FULL picture of yours as I seem to remember from the last debate on this, everyone thought it looked as though it was light.

guess i cant dispute whats in the pictures presented so far, but until i see one in person and compare to original formulas, pigmnets and colors i am still of the Lt argent/ dk/med grille believers.

also, are those early or late cars shown?

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May 70 Challenger original paint, faded and dusty.
My opinion, alot closer to dark argent than light.
Mike




hi mike, i tend to lean toward that being light (not to justify my statement), but trying to account for the dust, and age, but then you can see it in-person, i cant.

you have the paints, so when you spray the dk/med formula it comes out that light?

could you clean an area of thta one like the vertical edge in an area that would have seen less light/ wear etc?

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