Re: New 440 daily driver build thread
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Daily driver 440 trying to get around 550hp/600tq (ill take 25 less hp with around the same torque or slightly less anyday) 440 source 500” stroker kit (flat tops, but dont know which, depends on how much overbore is needed, somewhere between 10.15? and 10.96 comp) Edelbrock rpm heads Holley sd intake (is the street and strip dominator the same for the 440?) 800-850? holley vac sec carb Hydraulic roller cam (need suggestions, because from what ive heard from helpful people and complete a**holes, i need 250 @.050 to make around 550hp/600tq, and it shouldnt be really revving past 600, so would i need to try solid roller lifters for stability?) 1 3/4” hedman headers (or 1 7/8” if necessary, i dont want bigger simply to say theyre bigger) 3” exhaust im assuming? Again not bigger just to be bigger, would 2.5” be too small? ARP head bolts and main studs (Pretty sure i forgot some stuff i dont have my idea list with me) Anyone that was responding condescendingly on the other thread just dont bother replying to this. Youre not helpful.
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Re: New 440 daily driver build thread
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Honestly I just read your original build.I thought was good, except theres no reason to buy rpm heads unless you have them. The trick flows far exceed the rpm. Annnd your cam choice was waaay small. Otherwise I think youre getting the right idea. Your second build looks good as well. Either way youll be happy. It doesn't cost that much more to add cubes. No you don't need a solid roller. That will severely limit longevity. It can be done but not recommended. And if it were my engine, id choose something in the 240-250 range @050.
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Re: New 440 daily driver build thread
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[quote=Nick Stevanovski]
440 source 500” stroker kit (flat tops, but dont know which, depends on how much overbore is needed, somewhere between 10.15? and 10.96 comp).....YES
Edelbrock rpm heads...NO TRICKFLOW.
Holley sd intake (is the street and strip dominator the same for the 440?)...SAME INTAKE, IDLE>6000RPM
800-850? holley vac sec carb....850DP AS YOUR MANUAL TRANS, MUCH BETTER...my2c.
Hydraulic roller cam (need suggestions, because from what ive heard from helpful people and complete a**holes, i need 250 @.050 to make around 550hp/600tq, and it shouldnt be really revving past 600, so would i need to try solid roller lifters for stability?).....DON'T NEED SOLID ROLLER, STD HYD OR HYD ROLLER 240>250@.050@500ci quite mild, MAX 6K RPM
1 3/4” hedman headers (or 1 7/8” if necessary, i dont want bigger simply to say theyre bigger)....1.7/8"
3” exhaust im assuming? Again not bigger just to be bigger, would 2.5” be too small?..2.5" OK, 3" LOUDER, LESS MPG
ARP head bolts and main studs...GOOD BUT NOT NECESSARY
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Re: New 440 daily driver build thread
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10/20/18 01:34 AM
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Please see the 18 other threads for relevant responses You said 27 on one of the others. Did he delete 9 of them? I stopped counting...
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Re: New 440 daily driver build thread
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[quote=Nick Stevanovski]
440 source 500” stroker kit (flat tops, but dont know which, depends on how much overbore is needed, somewhere between 10.15? and 10.96 comp).....YES
Edelbrock rpm heads...NO TRICKFLOW.
Holley sd intake (is the street and strip dominator the same for the 440?)...SAME INTAKE, IDLE>6000RPM
800-850? holley vac sec carb....850DP AS YOUR MANUAL TRANS, MUCH BETTER...my2c.
Hydraulic roller cam (need suggestions, because from what ive heard from helpful people and complete a**holes, i need 250 @.050 to make around 550hp/600tq, and it shouldnt be really revving past 600, so would i need to try solid roller lifters for stability?).....DON'T NEED SOLID ROLLER, STD HYD OR HYD ROLLER 240>250@.050@500ci quite mild, MAX 6K RPM
1 3/4” hedman headers (or 1 7/8” if necessary, i dont want bigger simply to say theyre bigger)....1.7/8"
3” exhaust im assuming? Again not bigger just to be bigger, would 2.5” be too small?..2.5" OK, 3" LOUDER, LESS MPG
ARP head bolts and main studs...GOOD BUT NOT NECESSARY
Thank you so much. Was this so hard lol? Why couldnt anyone else do this? And why was everyone so bit*chy? I was asking for anawers. Not “ur an idiot”.
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Re: New 440 daily driver build thread
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I just read through the last couple of threads and this pretty much sums it up. Nick do you go to a lot of car shows?
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Re: New 440 daily driver build thread
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10/20/18 10:01 AM
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Please see the 18 other threads for relevant responses You said 27 on one of the others. Did he delete 9 of them? I stopped counting... Nah, just exaggerating A MILLION TIMES, as ever. Some things never change! The big picture/the underlying question is still not being adequately explored. Nick I wish you nothing but success with this thing and hope whatever you do, it all works out.
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Re: New 440 daily driver build thread
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I didn't read the whole previous thread, but this is a good starting point here from viperblue72: A stock stroke 440 with stock steel crank, stock (w/arp bolts)rods or new h-beams, and a flat top forged piston close to 0 deck. You'll want a piston with 2.05-2.067 compression height. Trick Flow cylinder heads, Any nice hydraulic, or hydraulic roller with anywhere from 230-245 duration and .550 valve lift is gonna get you 525-550 horsepower with tons of torque. `And you will live happily ever after.
You're building primarily a street car and this has a wide margin of error to work with. As already stated you're not going to go wrong using the above as a starting point. To answer some of your questions I saw from this thread: if it were me I would the 1 7/8" headers and 3" exhaust. The 2.5" exhaust on my car killed 30 wheel horse power on the dyno. Use the Trick Flow heads. This is probably my only regret with my build. The Eddies are just about the same price and are an inferior head.
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Re: New 440 daily driver build thread
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i would:
use the trick flow heads
run a solid flat tappet around 245*@.050, 108lsa if you want a bumpy and stinky idle, 112 lsa if you want it a little smoother and cleaner. i would consider 112 but talk to someone that knows (fast68)
probably not bother with a stroker because you have plenty of gear with a t56, i looked at that a while back, i would run a 4.30 rear gear and then cruise on the highway in 6th at around 2000-2200 rpm...but that's alot of money and work. i think i'm gonna just run a 727 with good converter in my car.
also, i would quit worrying about how much power it makes. build a good shortblock with flattops, quench, trick flow heads, use the SD intake, and pick a cam that gives you the chracteristics you want...it makes what it makes...it will still haul ass whether it makes 500hp or 600hp...
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Re: New 440 daily driver build thread
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[quote=Nick Stevanovski]
440 source 500” stroker kit (flat tops, but dont know which, depends on how much overbore is needed, somewhere between 10.15? and 10.96 comp).....YES
Edelbrock rpm heads...NO TRICKFLOW.
Holley sd intake (is the street and strip dominator the same for the 440?)...SAME INTAKE, IDLE>6000RPM
800-850? holley vac sec carb....850DP AS YOUR MANUAL TRANS, MUCH BETTER...my2c.
Hydraulic roller cam (need suggestions, because from what ive heard from helpful people and complete a**holes, i need 250 @.050 to make around 550hp/600tq, and it shouldnt be really revving past 600, so would i need to try solid roller lifters for stability?).....DON'T NEED SOLID ROLLER, STD HYD OR HYD ROLLER 240>250@.050@500ci quite mild, MAX 6K RPM
1 3/4” hedman headers (or 1 7/8” if necessary, i dont want bigger simply to say theyre bigger)....1.7/8"
3” exhaust im assuming? Again not bigger just to be bigger, would 2.5” be too small?..2.5" OK, 3" LOUDER, LESS MPG
ARP head bolts and main studs...GOOD BUT NOT NECESSARY
Thank you so much. Was this so hard lol? Why couldnt anyone else do this? And why was everyone so bit*chy? I was asking for anawers. Not “ur an idiot”. All the answers were here already. It's called research. The little search feature is wonderful for that....but some people need it spelled out.
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Re: New 440 daily driver build thread
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[quote=Nick Stevanovski]
440 source 500” stroker kit (flat tops, but dont know which, depends on how much overbore is needed, somewhere between 10.15? and 10.96 comp).....YES
Edelbrock rpm heads...NO TRICKFLOW.
Holley sd intake (is the street and strip dominator the same for the 440?)...SAME INTAKE, IDLE>6000RPM
800-850? holley vac sec carb....850DP AS YOUR MANUAL TRANS, MUCH BETTER...my2c.
Hydraulic roller cam (need suggestions, because from what ive heard from helpful people and complete a**holes, i need 250 @.050 to make around 550hp/600tq, and it shouldnt be really revving past 600, so would i need to try solid roller lifters for stability?).....DON'T NEED SOLID ROLLER, STD HYD OR HYD ROLLER 240>250@.050@500ci quite mild, MAX 6K RPM
1 3/4” hedman headers (or 1 7/8” if necessary, i dont want bigger simply to say theyre bigger)....1.7/8"
3” exhaust im assuming? Again not bigger just to be bigger, would 2.5” be too small?..2.5" OK, 3" LOUDER, LESS MPG
ARP head bolts and main studs...GOOD BUT NOT NECESSARY
Thank you so much. Was this so hard lol? Why couldnt anyone else do this? And why was everyone so bit*chy? I was asking for anawers. Not “ur an idiot”. All the answers were here already. It's called research. The little search feature is wonderful for that....but some people need it spelled out. No. There are general answers or suggestions. I was asking basic questions specific to a daily driver build. You couldnt simply help. The only answer i got was 250 @.050 duration. And that was without helping to explain the whole operating rpm question. Which was my main question in relation to the duration. Dont post on this thread unless u have genuine advice. Notice how he didnt complain or tell me to look at other threads when i have my own. He simply helped by answering questions.
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Re: New 440 daily driver build thread
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I didn't read the whole previous thread, but this is a good starting point here from viperblue72: A stock stroke 440 with stock steel crank, stock (w/arp bolts)rods or new h-beams, and a flat top forged piston close to 0 deck. You'll want a piston with 2.05-2.067 compression height. Trick Flow cylinder heads, Any nice hydraulic, or hydraulic roller with anywhere from 230-245 duration and .550 valve lift is gonna get you 525-550 horsepower with tons of torque. `And you will live happily ever after.
You're building primarily a street car and this has a wide margin of error to work with. As already stated you're not going to go wrong using the above as a starting point. To answer some of your questions I saw from this thread: if it were me I would the 1 7/8" headers and 3" exhaust. The 2.5" exhaust on my car killed 30 wheel horse power on the dyno. Use the Trick Flow heads. This is probably my only regret with my build. The Eddies are just about the same price and are an inferior head. So i should go with the trick flows (240s, right?), but how would that affect daily drivig, would the extra flow cause any issues?
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Re: New 440 daily driver build thread
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I didn't read the whole previous thread, but this is a good starting point here from viperblue72: A stock stroke 440 with stock steel crank, stock (w/arp bolts)rods or new h-beams, and a flat top forged piston close to 0 deck. You'll want a piston with 2.05-2.067 compression height. Trick Flow cylinder heads, Any nice hydraulic, or hydraulic roller with anywhere from 230-245 duration and .550 valve lift is gonna get you 525-550 horsepower with tons of torque. `And you will live happily ever after.
You're building primarily a street car and this has a wide margin of error to work with. As already stated you're not going to go wrong using the above as a starting point. To answer some of your questions I saw from this thread: if it were me I would the 1 7/8" headers and 3" exhaust. The 2.5" exhaust on my car killed 30 wheel horse power on the dyno. Use the Trick Flow heads. This is probably my only regret with my build. The Eddies are just about the same price and are an inferior head. So i should go with the trick flows (240s, right?), but how would that affect daily drivig, would the extra flow cause any issues? Yes,use the Trick Flow 240s. There will be no issues with the extra flow. The only negative effect will be the ability to roast the tires with less throttle.
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Re: New 440 daily driver build thread
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I didn't read the whole previous thread, but this is a good starting point here from viperblue72: A stock stroke 440 with stock steel crank, stock (w/arp bolts)rods or new h-beams, and a flat top forged piston close to 0 deck. You'll want a piston with 2.05-2.067 compression height. Trick Flow cylinder heads, Any nice hydraulic, or hydraulic roller with anywhere from 230-245 duration and .550 valve lift is gonna get you 525-550 horsepower with tons of torque. `And you will live happily ever after.
You're building primarily a street car and this has a wide margin of error to work with. As already stated you're not going to go wrong using the above as a starting point. To answer some of your questions I saw from this thread: if it were me I would the 1 7/8" headers and 3" exhaust. The 2.5" exhaust on my car killed 30 wheel horse power on the dyno. Use the Trick Flow heads. This is probably my only regret with my build. The Eddies are just about the same price and are an inferior head. So i should go with the trick flows (240s, right?), but how would that affect daily drivig, would the extra flow cause any issues? Yes,use the Trick Flow 240s. There will be no issues with the extra flow. The only negative effect will be the ability to roast the tires with less throttle. So essentially as long as i need up to 240 ill be fine? Like it cant be too big?
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