1.5 vs 1.6 rockers on Big Block Victor heads
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I'm sure this has been discussed before. How much power to be gained vs the added stress on the valvetrain.Will try my hand at heads up index racing, so it may not have to go as many rounds as a typical bracket car.Mostly 1/8 mile racing. 493 megablock,aluminum rods,ported Victor max wedge heads,weldup 2 1/8 headers,13 1/2-1 comp,plenum ported Victor /Dominator intake, 280/283 .690 lift Cam Motion roller. Would like to do it on the motor ,but will go with 150 horse nitrous,to make index,if necessary. What are your thoughts. Thanks, Bill.
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Re: 1.5 vs 1.6 rockers on Big Block Victor heads
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Do you have enough spring to accommodate the added lift?
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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Re: 1.5 vs 1.6 rockers on Big Block Victor heads
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Those heads are somewhat installed height limited when using typical off the shelf parts.
You may want to look into that before making the final call on the rocker ratio.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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Re: 1.5 vs 1.6 rockers on Big Block Victor heads
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... I have not yet purchased rockers, springs or pushrods... considering Hughes cryo treated rockers... and would like feedback from all with experience here. All response welcomed and appreciated. I have Hughes' rockers on my Victors, but not w/ the cryo option. I don't know how that treatment is really supposed to help aluminum parts, considering all the benefits I've read about it seem to apply only to iron/steel parts. Maybe I haven't read the latest... Originally I'd expected to be using a solid flat-tappet cam with them. However, the final build has a .650" solid roller w/ open spring pressures about 200# higher than what an SFT would use. It should be something of a durability test for my Hughes rockers to see how they hold up with street & track use given the current valve train. If I made the decision to go w/ a solid roller from the start, I'd have thought seriously about budgeting for T&Ds.
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Re: 1.5 vs 1.6 rockers on Big Block Victor heads
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I used a set of the Hughes 1.6 ratio Cyro treated rockers on my current bracket motor with the Eddy Victor M.W. heads, I had between 250 to 260 lbs. on the seats as and a little above 700 lbs. opened at .700 net lift with Manton series 5 3/8x.145 pushrods with a Bullet custom ground solid roller cam. I had to switch out the adjusters after loosing several of them from not staying tight messing up the rocker arms and pushrod tips I ended up switching all the adjusters to Manton Heat treated ones($13.00 each) and still had the same problems so I took those rockers off and put on a set of Harland Sharps roller rockers instead of the extruded aluminum like Hughes are and that ended up solving the problem with the adjusters loosening up and beating the rockers and pushrods up Think twice or more and buy once , good luck on your build
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: 1.5 vs 1.6 rockers on Big Block Victor heads
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I guess,then, what I'd like to know is how much am I leaving on the table if I retain the 1.6 rockers,in relation to power and 1/8 mile et. Thanks , Bill Are you trying to ask how much performance you're giving up if you run 1.5s instead of 1.6s? The only way to KNOW costs time & $$$. My OPINION, based on some rocker ratio testing I've done on less "serious" combinations, is somewhere between zero up to maybe 10 HP, and that's only if the combination is under-cammed. I don't think it is, which is why I wouldn't expect it to make much difference. With a .690"-lift cam, you could also be right on the edge of using a spring that can handle the lift w/ 1.5s, but can't cover the additional lift of 1.6s. My PAC 1243 springs with a 1.90" installed height are good right up to .700", but trying to go with more lift would require a different spring that requires a taller installed height, too.
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Re: 1.5 vs 1.6 rockers on Big Block Victor heads
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Every combo is different, but checking out AndyF’s rocker shootout on the TF heads might provide some food for thought/perspective.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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