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A12 Idle solenoid TROUBLESHOOTING problem UPDATE!
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03/15/09 04:40 PM
03/15/09 04:40 PM
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i need help resolving a electrical issue that just happened. i saw that my idle solenoid wasnt popping up when the key was in the on position so i pulled the blue solenoid wire and it grounded up against up the barrel and lost power to the wire, the problem is now i go and try to stsrt the superbee and it fires immediately then cuts out.
i thought i might have fried the ballast resistor but i put a jumper wire on the ballast resistor and it does the same thing.
the only way for me to keep the car running is a wire from the positive side of vthe coil to the positive side of the battery then i pull the wire off the battery and it stalls.
Im lost. what id wrong?
i think something is either fried or shorted out? i shorted out the blue solenoid wire briefly 4 or 5 times trying to get the stud of the solonoid back into the barrel, it popped out. pleae help thanks
Last edited by SUPERSTOCKRACER; 03/18/09 08:05 PM.
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Re: A12 Idle solenoid TROUBLESHOOTING problem
[Re: Snoopy]
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03/15/09 04:55 PM
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Check your fuses.
fuses are all good, i checked.
my question is where does the end of the idle solenoid blue wire go to? i think its shorting out the coil somehow.
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Re: A12 Idle solenoid TROUBLESHOOTING problem
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03/15/09 07:02 PM
03/15/09 07:02 PM
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i think something is either fried or shorted out? i shorted out the blue solenoid wire briefly 4 or 5 times trying to get the stud of the solonoid back into the barrel, it popped out. pleae help thanks
The solenoid plunger extends when energized,it goes back by itself when it loses power.
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Re: A12 Idle solenoid TROUBLESHOOTING problem
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03/15/09 09:26 PM
03/15/09 09:26 PM
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i think something is either fried or shorted out? i shorted out the blue solenoid wire briefly 4 or 5 times trying to get the stud of the solonoid back into the barrel, it popped out. pleae help thanks
The solenoid plunger extends when energized,it goes back by itself when it loses power.
 and let me tell you what else you did.oh never mind you probably figured it out by now.
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Re: A12 Idle solenoid TROUBLESHOOTING problem
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03/15/09 11:32 PM
03/15/09 11:32 PM
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and finally one more adjustment from the 69 Master Tech info: Curb high idle #2 MikeR
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Re: A12 Idle solenoid TROUBLESHOOTING problem
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03/16/09 12:15 AM
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Mike,
The problem he is having is the result of shorting the solenoid wire to ground. He doesn't have any voltage to the ballast resistor.
 confused here.....one wire from the solenoid and if connected to a 12v source the solenoid with the housing/bracket to a (-) ground should work???? If you take that one (1) wire from the solenoid and connect it to a ground how is that "shorting" the solenoid and not just not having a 12v source??? Are both sides of the ballast resistor spade teminals (+) positive and one side is switched or one side a ground the other (+) ??????? The solenoid seems to simple and straight forward; one positive lead and the housing is the ground, touch the (+) positive to a ground and no damage to the solenoid??? Do I have this all screwed up  
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Re: A12 Idle solenoid TROUBLESHOOTING problem
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03/16/09 12:43 AM
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He shorted the solenoid wire to ground. From that point on he had no +12v to the ballast or the solenoid.
Got it, duh on my end  So he needs to start backtracking from the ballast resistor to the.......X......then to.......Y.......then
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Re: A12 Idle solenoid TROUBLESHOOTING problem
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03/16/09 07:16 PM
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Sounds like you may have accidently fried the voltage regulator...see warning on most voltage regulators "Warning do not short any terminals to ground". Also remember that solenoid wire goes directly to IGN side of voltage regulator. I believe there is a way to test voltage regulator but I don't know how to do that. I'm sure someone else will chime in.
looking at the above wiring schematic I guess that would be the first place to look......what about the dash charging gauge would it indicate that the voltage regulator was not working?
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Re: A12 Idle solenoid TROUBLESHOOTING problem
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03/17/09 06:44 PM
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in 69 i took my car to dealer because of left valve cover leak while car was under warranty. when mechanic replaced valve cover the plastic on plug was between valve cover and edge on head. he got all done started engine let it run to check for leaks when he saw amp gauge was all the way over.they replaced wire going to solenoid and one other thing. everything was OK.
my gut feeling is that i fried the ignition switch, going to check it wednesday afternoon with VCODE bob. hes a electric guru.
i am not getting any power in the run position.ill post the results tomorrow night,if fixed. thanks
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Re: A12 Idle solenoid TROUBLESHOOTING problem
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03/18/09 06:08 AM
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I would be a tough trick to smoke the switch itself without melting half of the wiring right out of the car. I guess we'll know in a few hours though. Not a poke, pure observation/conversation. 
I can't afford this.
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