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5.7 MDS block off plugs #2361470 08/28/17 10:56 PM 08/28/17 10:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 43 Otsego, mi. by Martin 131 stri... JT612GTX OP member
JT612GTX OP member Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 43 Otsego, mi. by Martin 131 stri...	Newby here on gen 111 Hemi anyways,heres my dilema. Bought a rebuilt 5.7 long block from a local engine builder for my 2004 Dodge Ram 1500,got it all installed, primed the engine and discovered oil running out of the MDS holes which were not supposed to be there. trucks not wired for them, question is can I just install the block off plugs or do I have to change out the non MDS tappet set as well. Thanks in advance for any input, teaching an old dog new tricks here 86 Daytona - 612/ glide - 2400lbs - 8.60 alot more left 71 S/G Challenger - 469/glide - 2800lbs - 9.20s and tuning 70 Challenger - mild 440/727 - 3475lbs - 10.96 best 70 GTX - future quick 16? more $$$$$$

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: JT612GTX] #2361478 08/28/17 11:07 PM 08/28/17 11:07 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 25,050 Texas GoodysGotaCuda 5.7L Hemi, 6spd
GoodysGotaCuda 5.7L Hemi, 6spd Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 25,050 Texas	You must to have solenoids in place if you have MDS lifters. If you remove the MDS lifters, then you can remove the solenoids and install block plugs. 1972 Barracuda - 5.7L Hemi, T56 Magnum 6spd - https://www.facebook.com/GoodysGotaHemi 2020 RAM 1500 [img]https://i.imgur.com/v9yezP9.jpg[/img]

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: JT612GTX] #2361521 08/29/17 12:49 AM 08/29/17 12:49 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 43 Otsego, mi. by Martin 131 stri... JT612GTX OP member
JT612GTX OP member Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 43 Otsego, mi. by Martin 131 stri...	So this may be a dumb question, what if I install solenoids just to plug holes and not functional since the trucks not wired for them, would that work? weighing out my options here. Thanks GGC for your response, I really appreciate it! 86 Daytona - 612/ glide - 2400lbs - 8.60 alot more left 71 S/G Challenger - 469/glide - 2800lbs - 9.20s and tuning 70 Challenger - mild 440/727 - 3475lbs - 10.96 best 70 GTX - future quick 16? more $$$$$$

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: JT612GTX] #2361555 08/29/17 04:04 AM 08/29/17 04:04 AM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 990 Norwalk, Ohio sycboi super stock
sycboi super stock Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 990 Norwalk, Ohio	Originally Posted By JT612GTX So this may be a dumb question, what if I install solenoids just to plug holes and not functional since the trucks not wired for them, would that work? weighing out my options here. Thanks GGC for your response, I really appreciate it! Yes that will work. I would ask the engine builder which lifters the engine has in it. I would bet it does have MDS lifters in it. If it does have the MDS lifters in it I would put four solenoids in the holes and be done with it. It's the fastest way to get it running. If it happens to have non-MDS lifters in the engine then it's as simple and MDS plugs... SuperBeast An enforcer for the Mopar Mafia!

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: JT612GTX] #2361573 08/29/17 08:15 AM 08/29/17 08:15 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 25,050 Texas GoodysGotaCuda 5.7L Hemi, 6spd
GoodysGotaCuda 5.7L Hemi, 6spd Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 25,050 Texas	Originally Posted By JT612GTX So this may be a dumb question, what if I install solenoids just to plug holes and not functional since the trucks not wired for them, would that work? weighing out my options here. Thanks GGC for your response, I really appreciate it! Yes, dead solenoids will work to fill the hole and keep the MDS lifters from actuating. 1972 Barracuda - 5.7L Hemi, T56 Magnum 6spd - https://www.facebook.com/GoodysGotaHemi 2020 RAM 1500 [img]https://i.imgur.com/v9yezP9.jpg[/img]

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #2361841 08/29/17 05:32 PM 08/29/17 05:32 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 268 South Central Pa webemopes enthusiast
webemopes enthusiast Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 268 South Central Pa	I too am new to gen 3 hemis my problem may be coming from somethimg in these posts had to replace an engine in our 04 Durango non mds reman engine shows up and doesn't have mds plugs or solonoids so order up 4 plugs and put them in as I was told that is only difference between non mds ormds engines 5 months later hasn't made it out of my garage yet when you first start it it seems to idle decent but after about 30 seconds or so sounds like it has a couple weak cylinders and no power revs slow and sounds like a 4 or 6 cylinder shut it off let it set a couple minsutes start it and the same scenario replaced practically every sensor fuel pump plugs twice one coil pack acts like lifters pump up and let it drop cylinders would this act that way from putting just the mds plugs in instead of the dead solonoids

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: webemopes] #2361842 08/29/17 05:34 PM 08/29/17 05:34 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 268 South Central Pa webemopes enthusiast
webemopes enthusiast Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 268 South Central Pa	forgot to mention I have no idea which lifters are in this engine and would install a set of the mds solonoids instead of pulling the heads and changing out the lifters

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: JT612GTX] #2361988 08/29/17 09:16 PM 08/29/17 09:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,492 Kalispell Mt. H HotRodDave I Live Here
HotRodDave I Live Here H Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,492 Kalispell Mt.	you need to put in 4 solenoids not plugs and it will fire up and run great. I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: webemopes] #2362089 08/29/17 11:25 PM 08/29/17 11:25 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 25,050 Texas GoodysGotaCuda 5.7L Hemi, 6spd
GoodysGotaCuda 5.7L Hemi, 6spd Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 25,050 Texas	Originally Posted By webemopes I too am new to gen 3 hemis my problem may be coming from somethimg in these posts had to replace an engine in our 04 Durango non mds reman engine shows up and doesn't have mds plugs or solonoids so order up 4 plugs and put them in as I was told that is only difference between non mds ormds engines 5 months later hasn't made it out of my garage yet when you first start it it seems to idle decent but after about 30 seconds or so sounds like it has a couple weak cylinders and no power revs slow and sounds like a 4 or 6 cylinder shut it off let it set a couple minsutes start it and the same scenario replaced practically every sensor fuel pump plugs twice one coil pack acts like lifters pump up and let it drop cylinders would this act that way from putting just the mds plugs in instead of the dead solonoids The spark plugs will be brand new on 1, 4, 6, and 7. I know a little bit about running block plugs with MDS lifters...[don't] Obviously, I know better now and the unplugged solenoids are the way to go. 1972 Barracuda - 5.7L Hemi, T56 Magnum 6spd - https://www.facebook.com/GoodysGotaHemi 2020 RAM 1500 [img]https://i.imgur.com/v9yezP9.jpg[/img]

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: JT612GTX] #2363909 09/02/17 03:42 AM 09/02/17 03:42 AM
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 146 Australia L L4staero member
L4staero member L Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 146 Australia	So just to revisit this do both the int and exh lifters on that cyl bleed down? Can i take 8 sets of mds lifters in yokes and make a full set of 4 non mds lifters by swapping out the msd ones for non mds

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: L4staero] #2363922 09/02/17 07:25 AM 09/02/17 07:25 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,400 Trumbauersville PA ric3xrt pro stock
ric3xrt pro stock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,400 Trumbauersville PA	Originally Posted By L4staero So just to revisit this do both the int and exh lifters on that cyl bleed down? Yes. Truth has no agenda, but those with an agenda make their own truth. Some of us are so open minded they only see their View

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: L4staero] #2363923 09/02/17 07:29 AM 09/02/17 07:29 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,400 Trumbauersville PA ric3xrt pro stock
ric3xrt pro stock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,400 Trumbauersville PA	Originally Posted By L4staero Can i take 8 sets of mds(did you mean NON MDS) lifters in yokes and make a full set of 4 non mds lifters by swapping out the msd ones for non mds you can swap NON MDS lifters for MDS liters. Truth has no agenda, but those with an agenda make their own truth. Some of us are so open minded they only see their View

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: JT612GTX] #2364299 09/02/17 10:33 PM 09/02/17 10:33 PM
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 146 Australia L L4staero member
L4staero member L Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 146 Australia	And how do u identify mds vs non mds lifters when they are out of the yoke

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: JT612GTX] #2364408 09/03/17 02:39 AM 09/03/17 02:39 AM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 990 Norwalk, Ohio sycboi super stock
sycboi super stock Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 990 Norwalk, Ohio	MDS lifters have the bleed hole in the side. Non-MDS lifters do not. That's the main visual difference I believe. I know they take different yokes as well. It's possible the machining at the top of the lifters, where they engage the yokes, is different. Someone with more knowledge will chime in and clear up the confusion hopefully... SuperBeast An enforcer for the Mopar Mafia!

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: L4staero] #2364424 09/03/17 08:17 AM 09/03/17 08:17 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 25,050 Texas GoodysGotaCuda 5.7L Hemi, 6spd
GoodysGotaCuda 5.7L Hemi, 6spd Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 25,050 Texas	Originally Posted By L4staero And how do u identify mds vs non mds lifters when they are out of the yoke As mentioned, MDS have a hole in the side. 1972 Barracuda - 5.7L Hemi, T56 Magnum 6spd - https://www.facebook.com/GoodysGotaHemi 2020 RAM 1500 [img]https://i.imgur.com/v9yezP9.jpg[/img]

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: JT612GTX] #2364620 09/03/17 02:04 PM 09/03/17 02:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,400 Trumbauersville PA ric3xrt pro stock
ric3xrt pro stock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,400 Trumbauersville PA	MDS on the left, the top of the MDS are thicker were it slips in the yoke, yokes are different. Truth has no agenda, but those with an agenda make their own truth. Some of us are so open minded they only see their View

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: ric3xrt] #2365649 09/05/17 07:51 AM 09/05/17 07:51 AM
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 146 Australia L L4staero member
L4staero member L Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 146 Australia	I started pulling down my motor today. Further to that as above I noted non mds clips have the plunger held in with a hex shaped wire clip. The MDS lifter plunger is held in with a circlip NON MDS wire clip MDS Circlip

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: JT612GTX] #2536984 08/15/18 11:49 PM 08/15/18 11:49 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 2 Janesville, WI O Onlooker member
Onlooker member O Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 2 Janesville, WI	So of I have a 6.4 with mds I can just leave the mds unplugged and the engine should run properly?

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: JT612GTX] #2537192 08/16/18 01:47 PM 08/16/18 01:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,492 Kalispell Mt. H HotRodDave I Live Here
HotRodDave I Live Here H Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,492 Kalispell Mt.	yes I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!

Re: 5.7 MDS block off plugs [Re: JT612GTX] #2541487 08/26/18 09:07 AM 08/26/18 09:07 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 830 east coast Otherlane super stock
Otherlane super stock Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 830 east coast	I'm glad I found this. I have a 06 ram but have a 04 motor in it now. We took the plugs out of the 06 motor and put into the 04 then plugged up the MDS system up hoping it will think its still a MDS motor but the trucks shakes really bad at 50ish until I put it in trailer mode. What can I do to stop this bad shake?

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