Re: production date for the 1968 dodge super bee
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It's interesting that the left rivet on the vin tag post paint looks like it was spun after paint and removed paint off the tag ?
Jeff can you post that picture of the prepainted tag ?
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Re: production date for the 1968 dodge super bee
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Car Owner Jeff Do not let this site discourage your quest for information. There were no PRODUCTION super Bees produced before Jan 1968. What about Pre-production Prototypes and Long Lead Press Cars? What say yee all you experts - How do you know this is not one of those cars? You don't... LA produced cars are not well documented and we do not know its inner workings. Stuff happened on the lines back then [documented information] and special cars not always got a special designation. This car is an anomaly that the experts can't explain because no one is an expert and it's 2018 not 1968. The experts really try hard to discredit cars that don't fit their mold. This place only represents maybe 20% of the market. The fender tag does not look reproduced. Fender tags can be examined with modern technology to determine their authenticity...Yup i said it. There is technology that can scan & measure that FT down to a single micron. Do the mopar experts want me to define a micron? Hint:google. I was conversing with Rob Wolfe from Mopar Collectors Guide magazine recently and he recounted the odd optioned road runner with solid documentation that all the experts said Chrysler did not build but it got built. There are plenty of examples out there. I suggest you contact MCG and get some ink on the mystery car. Tom Quad ... too funny ...
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Re: production date for the 1968 dodge super bee
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08/29/18 05:48 PM
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Only pic I have of the pre-painted tag is the one from the prior owner's forum link. Not sure about K frame number... I'll look when I can get a break from these 12 hour days, lol.
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Re: production date for the 1968 dodge super bee
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08/31/18 05:13 AM
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People are saying that there were still some 68 cars built in early August of 68. The other theory is that it was 8/11/67. I'm not sure which is true, but the fender tag at this point is less of a issue to me than the VIN. I can believe that the projected build date was within a few weeks of when the line was supposed to change over if in fact the car was built in August of 68. That would make the sequence of the VIN unexplainable however. In contrast if the car really was built 8/11/67 the sequence of "740" makes more sense despite the fact that conventional wisdom suggests there weren't Super Bees at that time.
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Re: production date for the 1968 dodge super bee
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I need to get a full history of the VIN registration with the DMV. If the VIN I have was registered to an owner in 68-69 I'd say there's a pretty good chance the VIN is original to the car.
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Re: production date for the 1968 dodge super bee
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10/24/18 07:59 PM
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Hello everyone. I started this thread on another blog. Here is the deal...and I know this for fact because I own the first Superbee out of the LA Plant. I documented mine with Galen which he states that mine is the first one to exist out of the LA plant. Your car is the last 1968 superbee out of the LA plant. However, the sequence number is the beginning of 1969 year. Look at the 1969 sequence numbers and where it begins...in LA that is. Yours is 100740 and the first one listed in 1969 out of the LA is 101028. There are a ton of date codes that will tell you if its an early build or late build. Mine was built 1/23 out of LA. The dates stamped on the crossmember, the trunk and k member all confirm this. There is a date on the wiper motor that is the 347th day of 1967. My mufflers are also dated correctly. Here is the interesting part of your car...it was going down the line along with the 1969 models. So...that hood might have been correct for the car. In other words, the customer may have ordered the 1968 car and optioned for that hood...at the dealer or something. I can't remember if there is a date code on the hood somewhere. [/spoiler]I have been painstakingly restoring mine to 100% original and documenting everything. For example, my K-member has a stamp 009 of 1968. So, the 9th day of 1968. Unfortunately, the engine and tranny were lost over 30 years ago. I found a period correct block and began the build from there. Galen Govier is your first stop. If anyone has anymore information about my car. Thanks.[s][/s]
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Re: production date for the 1968 dodge super bee
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10/25/18 01:17 AM
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What if the factory screwed up and mis-stamped the 2nd digit of the VIN? Would they let it off the line and just change the documentation?
I realize the odds are greater that something was altered on the car sometime in the last 50 years, but other makes are known to have mis-stamps like VINs being 1 digit off between motor and car or digits reversed for example.
Do the component date codes support a spring '68 build?
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Re: production date for the 1968 dodge super bee
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On further investigation......The trim/drip-rail/Pillar trim codes appear to be off. Mine are 5 7 8 starting in position 2 of line 3. Do the other '68 bee owners on here have similar chrome trim codes? I thought they were specific to the Bee.
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Re: production date for the 1968 dodge super bee
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Well, I'm the owner of the car in question here, and I've gotten pretty much nowhere in regards to figuring this issue out. The CA DMV doesn't have any record of a new title ever being issued to the car, but they also are very limited in regards to the lifetime history of the car. Everything about the car suggests it's a real SuperBee aside from the VIN anomaly. It has the larger brakes, and hd springs...the original color matches the trim tag, which matches the body numbers. I don't actually even care if it is a genuine SuperBee at this point. Either way, the engine and trans are non numbers matching, so it's not some great collectors item anyway. I'd be content knowing it was a fake if that's the case just to have it figured out. I'm growing weary of all the speculation, and truthfully I just want to be done with it. Nothing about this has been a fun experience for me with having to replace the engine right away, then learning of this VIN issue after the fact. It's a clean titled CA car for all intents and purposes with a brand new engine I dropped nearly 8k on with all documentation and a huge stack of receipts for all of the recent restoration items. The car drives great and looks beautiful and all I want to do is get rid of it. If anyone here could care less about the VIN issue, I'll make them a great deal.
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Re: production date for the 1968 dodge super bee
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what other blog might I find that some "expert" can prove the car was fraudulently altered to be a Superbee? And why bother going to that level of altering a non numbers matching car when a clone car in the same condition would only bring a few thousand less?
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Re: production date for the 1968 dodge super bee
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OP see i told you...John RR the biggest expert of all has spoken. This would have been the last place on earth i posted questions about this car. That does not mean i would have not reached out to a few on here in PM's that actually have knowledge PM me if you want offline help with this.
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