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72 fury III 360 to 413 swap
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03/14/09 05:54 PM
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erie, pa,
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Thanks to all that have helped in the past on this. I have a 72 fury III with a locked up, underpowered 360. I bought a 1970 winnebago with 18k original miles and a 413 industrial in it. I know I need to swap the heads, waterpump, and oil pan. My original intentions were to stroke and rebuild this but an employment change has drastically cut my budget. This engine runs great, it will actually turn tire on the motorhome, so I will not be rebuilding. I need to know what else I should be prepared to swap out to make this conversion work. I have done engine swaps in the past I am just not familiar with mopar interchanging info. I am trying to do this and actually drive this car this summer so any help will be much appreciated. I do not know if I have a short or long tailshaft tranny the MH is in storage but if it is short is it usable in my car? Thanks in advance for the help, I know this car is not that popular but I really like the low and long look of it.
Dave
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Re: 72 fury III 360 to 413 swap
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03/14/09 06:15 PM
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Why swap heads, did you mean exhaust manifolds? You may need the following, Engine brackets and motor mounts, oil pan, water pump housing, maybe radiator, modify the wiring harness, exhaust manifolds and new drive shaft. For trans kickdown you could use a cable from Lokar, your current trans should provide the rest of the needed trans parts...mount, bracket linkage; etc.
Last edited by Thackdaddy; 03/14/09 06:17 PM.
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Re: 72 fury III 360 to 413 swap
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03/14/09 07:48 PM
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Well this is a fairly big job....first you will need motor mounts from a Big block C-body (69-72 should be the same). I have a nagging thought that the motor mount bosses on the 413 might be different then the later big blocks? You will then need a Bigblock 727 tranny to replace the Smal block 727...the two are the same but bellhousing boltpatterns are different. The motor home tranny probably has a short/stubby tailshaft so you will more then likely need to have the tailshaft swapped to have the proper mounting point for the tranny cross member. You should be able to use the same drive shaft. You will need a big block radiator and fan shroud as well as all the brackets and pullies to mount the power steering, alternator and A/C. The kick down linkage from the motor home should work if it's the 3 piece, with 2 pivot points set-up. Your 72 fury with a big block would have originaly came with the single rod set-up used from 69 on up on the fusey C-bodies. Exhaust manifolds and exhaust will be different as well. If you can find a good set of 68-72 C-body HP cast iron manifolds would be the best for all around reliability, performance and lower cost then headers. But the set of low flow log manifolds that are already on the motor should work as well. Now the torsion bars might need upgrading, they will definetly need to be turned up to bring the front end up after the install, and a good front end alignment done. The wiring in the engine compartment will need to be adjusted a bit since the coil and distributor are at the front of the motor on the 413. I'm sure I forgot something but this should give you an idea of what is in store for you. Happy C-body-ing...  
Brian
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1984 Ramcharger Sno-Commander 360/auto
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Re: 72 fury III 360 to 413 swap
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03/15/09 10:59 AM
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He may be swapping heads if he has the waterpump that connects directly to the heads. It is a bit involved on the switchover.You may need a new driveshaft as well. The folks over at www.cbodydrydock.com can help as well.
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Re: 72 fury III 360 to 413 swap
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03/15/09 06:09 PM
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72 Fury with 413? COOL!!!  Good luck
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Re: 72 fury III 360 to 413 swap
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03/16/09 12:02 PM
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Well this is a fairly big job....first you will need motor mounts from a Big block C-body (69-72 should be the same). I have a nagging thought that the motor mount bosses on the 413 might be different then the later big blocks?
You will then need a Bigblock 727 tranny to replace the Smal block 727...the two are the same but bellhousing boltpatterns are different.
The motor home tranny probably has a short/stubby tailshaft so you will more then likely need to have the tailshaft swapped to have the proper mounting point for the tranny cross member.
You should be able to use the same drive shaft.
You will need a big block radiator and fan shroud as well as all the brackets and pullies to mount the power steering, alternator and A/C.
The kick down linkage from the motor home should work if it's the 3 piece, with 2 pivot points set-up. Your 72 fury with a big block would have originaly came with the single rod set-up used from 69 on up on the fusey C-bodies.
Exhaust manifolds and exhaust will be different as well. If you can find a good set of 68-72 C-body HP cast iron manifolds would be the best for all around reliability, performance and lower cost then headers. But the set of low flow log manifolds that are already on the motor should work as well.
Now the torsion bars might need upgrading, they will definetly need to be turned up to bring the front end up after the install, and a good front end alignment done.
The wiring in the engine compartment will need to be adjusted a bit since the coil and distributor are at the front of the motor on the 413.
I'm sure I forgot something but this should give you an idea of what is in store for you.
Happy C-body-ing...
For the most part  with Thrashing, here are some things I think you will also need a C-Body pan with a cut out for the Idler arm I think it is a 669 or 167 (it has been awhile), but the same pan the A-Body guys use to stuff an RB under the hood.
Torsion bars will be ok for a street car, will need to be cranked up just a bit to level the nose.
You will want a different radiator pick up an Aluminium one if you can, if not the SB one will work (if it is in good condition) till you can upgrade. You may need to change the WP housing so the house comes out on the correct side.
The core support opening is smaller on the SB cars compared to the BB cars, but the space between the frame rail will fit a 30-31"X18" radiator (Ebay is a good source also)
I think the motor mounts are the same on the 413 (I have one in the garage but don't remember now..)as a 440...and the engine brackets are the same as B/E RB cars.
I had a 72Fury III and did the same swap some time ago..have fun!
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Re: 72 fury III 360 to 413 swap
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03/16/09 01:18 PM
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Well this is a fairly big job....first you will need motor mounts from a Big block C-body (69-72 should be the same). I have a nagging thought that the motor mount bosses on the 413 might be different then the later big blocks?
You will then need a Bigblock 727 tranny to replace the Smal block 727...the two are the same but bellhousing boltpatterns are different.
The motor home tranny probably has a short/stubby tailshaft so you will more then likely need to have the tailshaft swapped to have the proper mounting point for the tranny cross member.
You should be able to use the same drive shaft.
You will need a big block radiator and fan shroud as well as all the brackets and pullies to mount the power steering, alternator and A/C.
The kick down linkage from the motor home should work if it's the 3 piece, with 2 pivot points set-up. Your 72 fury with a big block would have originaly came with the single rod set-up used from 69 on up on the fusey C-bodies.
Exhaust manifolds and exhaust will be different as well. If you can find a good set of 68-72 C-body HP cast iron manifolds would be the best for all around reliability, performance and lower cost then headers. But the set of low flow log manifolds that are already on the motor should work as well.
Now the torsion bars might need upgrading, they will definetly need to be turned up to bring the front end up after the install, and a good front end alignment done.
The wiring in the engine compartment will need to be adjusted a bit since the coil and distributor are at the front of the motor on the 413.
I'm sure I forgot something but this should give you an idea of what is in store for you.
Happy C-body-ing...
For the most part with Thrashing, here are some things I think you will also need a C-Body pan with a cut out for the Idler arm I think it is a 669 or 167 (it has been awhile), but the same pan the A-Body guys use to stuff an RB under the hood.
Torsion bars will be ok for a street car, will need to be cranked up just a bit to level the nose.
You will want a different radiator pick up an Aluminium one if you can, if not the SB one will work (if it is in good condition) till you can upgrade. You may need to change the WP housing so the house comes out on the correct side.
The core support opening is smaller on the SB cars compared to the BB cars, but the space between the frame rail will fit a 30-31"X18" radiator (Ebay is a good source also)
I think the motor mounts are the same on the 413 (I have one in the garage but don't remember now..)as a 440...and the engine brackets are the same as B/E RB cars.
I had a 72Fury III and did the same swap some time ago..have fun!
Ahh yes I knew I forgot a couple things...Thanks FuryusVIP...
Brian
1984/93 W350 Cummins Crewcab, NV4500, 3.54's
1984 Ramcharger Sno-Commander 360/auto
68 Chrysler T/C Station Wagon 440/auto
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory!!
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Re: 72 fury III 360 to 413 swap
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03/16/09 02:01 PM
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Thanks to everyone who gave me feedback so far:
-I have to switch heads and waterpump because of the heavy duty coolant setup from the motorhome any suggestions on casting #'s?
-I have a waterpump already
-I also have 8 3/4 rearend, driveshaft, and some linkage from a 1970 fury 440 police issue
-I planned on switching oil pan thanks for the part #'S
- anyone suggest a particular motor mount manufacturer or are factory fine?
-Thanks for letting me know that the tailshafts can be swapped is this something that can be done in my garage with MINOR machine work?
-I have my current driveshaft, the 2 peice motorhome shaft, and the shaft from the 1970 440 car, and a great drivetrain shop where I live so this shouldn't be a problem
-I budgeted already for an aluminum radiator thanks for the heads up on the shroud
-I have a great salvage yard near me that i should be able to find brackets, pulleys, exhaust manifolds, and linkage from what years and models do you suggest (c body only?) I know they will need to be big block
-Thanks for answering my next question about the torsion bars, this car will be street driven often, will big block torsion bars give me more adjustability?
-The wiring changes won't be a problem either
Thanks helping me understand what I have to do here, this is my first mopar project and soem people scared me to death when I first started asking ?'s on this. I can do most of the work mentioned here but someone told me I needed to change my front end (k frame?) among other things.
Thanks,
Dave
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Re: 72 fury III 360 to 413 swap
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03/16/09 02:22 PM
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Thanks to everyone who gave me feedback so far:
-I have to switch heads and waterpump because of the heavy duty coolant setup from the motorhome any suggestions on casting #'s?
With those HUGELY dished pistons ... some maybe 516 heads that are cut 60 or so.
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Re: 72 fury III 360 to 413 swap
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03/16/09 02:27 PM
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Thanks to everyone who gave me feedback so far:
-I have to switch heads and waterpump because of the heavy duty coolant setup from the motorhome any suggestions on casting #'s?
With those HUGELY dished pistons ... some maybe 516 heads that are cut 60 or so.
maybe one of these would help 
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Re: 72 fury III 360 to 413 swap
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03/16/09 02:49 PM
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Mr.Yuck
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I don't think that THIS is what 72 had-in-mind ! 
It'll get the job done I think it has a BIN for $350.00
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Re: 72 fury III 360 to 413 swap
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03/16/09 02:54 PM
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Mr.Yuck
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516 heads, Summit 488 cam, used dual plane intake, 1/2 4 hole carb spacer, 750cfm carb, 175k stall (26-2800) headers, shift kit and 3.91's and you're ready to roll.
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Re: 72 fury III 360 to 413 swap
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03/16/09 03:13 PM
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I don't think that THIS is what 72 had-in-mind !
It'll get the job done I think it has a BIN for $350.00
I will BIN if that is a whole kit for a RB engine !!...I can use that on my boat.
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Re: 72 fury III 360 to 413 swap
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03/16/09 03:15 PM
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didn't buy another 360 short block because the one in my car is 190hp and I assumed I would have to replace everything (heads, intake, etc)
I stole the motorhome with 18k original miles on it thinking this swap would be easier or i may have just bought another 360
I have sold enough parts off the motorhome (stove, waterheater, generator) that everthing else is free
I didn't know about the dished pistons and compression issues or I may not have started this way but now I am committed and would like to follow through with the 413.
I am sure a supercharger would help but so would a stroker kit and my budget just can't support it.
Thanks again,
Dave
What are you going to be doing with that complete 360 and the parts off that 413 ?
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Re: 72 fury III 360 to 413 swap
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03/16/09 04:44 PM
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didn't buy another 360 short block because the one in my car is 190hp and I assumed I would have to replace everything (heads, intake, etc)
I stole the motorhome with 18k original miles on it thinking this swap would be easier or i may have just bought another 360
I have sold enough parts off the motorhome (stove, waterheater, generator) that everthing else is free
I didn't know about the dished pistons and compression issues or I may not have started this way but now I am committed and would like to follow through with the 413.
I am sure a supercharger would help but so would a stroker kit and my budget just can't support it.
Thanks again,
Dave
personally, I'd just do a basic rebuild of the 360 using KB107's, a good 5 angle valve job on the heads, comp 901 springs, cheapie headers, a eddie performer and t-quad, and either a lunati voodoo 60401 or 60402 cam. should be an honest 350-370 HP and about 400-425lb-ft tq.
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