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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Thumperdart] #2515529
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I got a chute !

It really works the shoulder straps

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: FastmOp] #2517168
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As a followup to my Milidon aluminum oil pump here is some more weight loss! I called the tech guy at Milidon before I ordered my pump cover. I asked if I could plug that external fitting and run my internal pickup. His answer was yes I could. So after I got my cover I ordered the proper plug and got rid of another .6 ounce for a new total of 2LBS 10.8 OUNCES for this upgrade! The black cap also makes the pump less noticeable!
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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: moparjohn] #2517247
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HHHHMMMMMmmmmmmm. Take a swipe of All metal filler across those Milodon letters, sand and scuff, paint with a combination of Rust-o-Leum rusty primer, cast iron spray and mist of black and whala you have a stock looking cast iron pump from afar and close.
It's all about the optics.
Great job and idea on the oil pump. Thanks for the info.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #2517295
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Thanks!
Now I have a question for the group. Does any one make a lighter than stock manual steering gearbox? I have seen some new aftermarket boxes out there but they only say they are lighter than power steering boxes.
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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: moparjohn] #2517329
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I'm not sure that there is such a beast out there. Maybe there is a difference in weight when it comes to the cogs of an A-body manual box compared to a B.
Perhaps a difference between a close ratio and long throw box?
I do know that a rack and pinion tends to be the lightest, but that is not going to pass under the relatively stock look.
A carbon fiber manual box would be trick.
The only thing I did was to change the three top cover bolts and mounting bolts on the box to titanium a few years back.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Thumperdart] #2517345
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My 63 has the original aluminum box.


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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: moparjohn] #2517355
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Originally Posted By moparjohn
Thanks!Does any one make a lighter than stock manual steering gearbox?


Unfortunately, no. The only A.M. box I know of is made by Flaming River and it's cast iron.

Not sure how you would go about lightening a factory steering box. Perhaps a cromoly steering shaft would be a better place to shave weight.

I posted these a while back but while we're on the subject... This was Silvaliant from a few years ago, not my car.



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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: RMCHRGR] #2517366
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Looking at that shaft makes me nervous. Too much torque twist for my liking. But then again, an A-body is way leaner than a B-body and will ask less of that shaft.
Speaking for myself, I rather what is already part of the package: a chrome-moly steering shaft which saves almost half the weight and yet solid tube.
Bobs pro-fab makes one with attention to detail.

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What up RMCHGR. See ya on the Carlisle grounds.
Exciting.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: hemi-itis] #2517470
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Originally Posted By hemi-itis
My 63 has the original aluminum box.



There are cast aluminum manual steering boxes on E-bag. I am guessing they would be lighter than a factory manual steering box. I don't know anything about them (quality, source of casting, etc.), but have wondered about them.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: davenc] #2517592
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I don't remember any cast IRON manual steering boxes, just the aluminum types that have been on cars since at least 1962.
If there's IRON units out there, then that's new news to me.

I do know that when I removed my cars original IRON power steering box (49 Lbs), and replaced it with a manual aluminum unit (14 Lbs) it removed (35 Lbs) from the front of the car.
I can't remember if that weight savings measure was indeed correct because I didn't include the assorted hoses, fluid, belt, the pump, pump bracket and pulley itself.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Thumperdart] #2517601
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I could see that removed 50 to 60 lbs. To bad that I need to run power steering for Autocross. I will look at lighter options once the car is running. I comes down to where do you spend your money. Light is nice but running is better.


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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Bob J] #2517606
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Some times if not always, running light is really running.
The less the car has to carry around corners, the better.
In saying that, I do understand the other side of the coin where there are no options and certain classes of competition do not allow or have any lighter options on the menu.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Thumperdart] #2517607
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There is a lighter option but the wallet says do you want to loss weight or get it running.


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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Bob J] #2517616
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Correct, get it running.
Autocross? Are you running an A-body or an E?

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Thumperdart] #2517618
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Many later model cars have small pumps with remote reservoirs that can be adapted. Buddy of mine used a dirt track car pump on his big block B body conversion. Lighter and more compact that a stock pump.


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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: slantzilla] #2517626
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You're right, I've surfed the dirt track menus and found some interestingly light stock looking stuff.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Thumperdart] #2517637
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I'm running a 68 GTX convertible Wilwood brake front and back and Hotchkis suspension. Holley HP EFI Port injection coil near plug crank trigger and cam sensor yep no dist. Elederbrock XT Proflow intake and 95 mm throttle body.
I was looking at a JZ jeep pump but I will look at circle tracks pumps as I didn't think of that


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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Bob J] #2517652
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I once stepped into an old school dirt track speed shop up in Lebanon NY and found some ready to wear aluminum hood pins and other misc stuff that could be adapted to a stock chassis door car.
Those guys run some rather lightweight items that have to take the constant rigors of hard left turning. Or is it right turns? Who's on first? what's on 2nd?

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Thumperdart] #2529079
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FMJ how visible is your oil pump in your car? I know you're asking about the A-990 pump but if it isn't sticking out like a sore thumb why not just patina the Milodon.... is anyone looking that hard at your stuff? Or are you just interested in it because its stock?


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