Scuffed Piston/Bore?
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Inspecting an engine I bought.New Mega block 4.32 bore Ross pistons .0055/.006 skirt clearance. Engine has been sitting probably 10 years. Turns freely. Anyway.pulled piston to check clearances and found this: Pan is squeeky clean. Bore measures good all the way down,no burr at the bottom,wrist pin free. Has about 1,000 street miles,low compression small hyd.cam.
It looks like either tight at bottom,is not. Burr on edge,,no Tight wrist pin,no.
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Re: Scuffed Piston/Bore?
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Re: Scuffed Piston/Bore?
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Your point? Piston tops are loaded with gray soft ash,must have been running race gas in a 9to1 street car.crazy
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Re: Scuffed Piston/Bore?
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Didn't Ross have bad run of pistons that expanded more than they were spec'd to? I have a set in my 493 that look like that. Built in 2005ish.
Kevin Hmmmm that's exactly what I thought when I saw it,not enough clearance. But measures ok. Can't have many miles, has new stamped rockers and the black coating isn't fully polished off on the valve contact. I didn't build it bought it this way CHEAP. Block this worth more than I paid for the whole running 487cu stroker.
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Re: Scuffed Piston/Bore?
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Didn't Ross have bad run of pistons that expanded more than they were spec'd to? I have a set in my 493 that look like that. Built in 2005ish.
Kevin Hmmmm that's exactly what I thought when I saw it,not enough clearance. But measures ok. Can't have many miles, has new stamped rockers and the black coating isn't fully polished off on the valve contact. I didn't build it bought it this way CHEAP. Block this worth more than I paid for the whole running 487cu stroker.
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Re: Scuffed Piston/Bore?
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You can wipe the gray soot off the pistons with your fingers. Gritty like gray toothpaste. I wonder if it ran so rich ,or flooded the carb.(repeatedly ) and washed down the cylinders, and the soot got past the rings with it.
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Re: Scuffed Piston/Bore?
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Only had one out so far. Regardless ,,it will get rigid honed and re-ringed.
Wanted to open ring gaps anyway. Might throw some boost to it down the road.
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Re: Scuffed Piston/Bore?
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That is caused by piston skirt profile. I would imagine that Ross has changed their profile by now. Ross has used tbe same skirt design for their stocking BBM pistons for 20 years, right or wrong. I'm interested in hearing if the OP says this was found on every cylinder, or isolated to the one he posted photos.
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Re: Scuffed Piston/Bore? UPDATE:More Pics
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All 8 show scuffing #1 in the 1st post by far the worst. All scuffing in line with the wrist pin.
What would be the result of wide open/RPM with a stone cold engine?? The pistons would expand way faster than the thick block??? Just thinking ...Why?
Bore measures 4.321 Piston 4.3155
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Re: Scuffed Piston/Bore?
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I'm sure hes pointing out all the white specs. A classic indicator of detonation. Pics can be deceiving though. Maybe so,, perhaps he works for CNN.? LOL
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Re: Scuffed Piston/Bore?
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Hope so. Tore it down to a bare block today. It was built by Muscle Motors-stamped on the crank. Eagle and Ross parts,Mega Block. Freshen it up and on the the next steps.
Thanks for all the suggestions.
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