Pomona - Mopars in Comp Eliminator
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At least three cars in Comp at Pomona have Mopar engines with "P" heads.
I am pretty sure Tom Mettler has a P5 headed motor built by Patterson-Elite.
I don't know about the other two.
I don't know anything about the engine in John Edward's Neon other than its a 377.
Does anyone else (Al?) know more about these cars. I am curious if anyone has got P7 heads working at this level.
Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-) 3 7098 PST Tom Mettler, Tehachapi CA, '01 Dodge Dako 7.371 8.05 -0.679
4 7235 C/ED Scott McClay, Tehachapi CA, N&P-Dodge 7.200 7.87 -0.670 10 703 B/ED Joe Mozeris, Phoenix AZ, Fritz-Dodge 6.950 7.54 -0.590
12 610 C/AA John Edwards, Glendora CA, '99 Neon 7.403 7.94 -0.537
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Re: Pomona - Mopars in Comp Eliminator
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Same ones that are always out west. Mozeris and Mcclay are both small W8 deals. Tom Mettler and Josh Edwards are both P5 deals. All were all RWR customers at one point before Rick closed up shop and went to work for Mcgaha. Not sure who everyone uses now. I believe Josh still uses Rick. I think Mettler was at Patterson/Elite, the acquired Patterson last year. Not sure on Scott and Joe as to who they are using now. I know they were both Slawko head deals but not sure who is doing their work now.
For those that don't know Rick Waters was one of the people who developed the P5 heads for Mopar, also was a big force in W8 stuff for drag racing. He ran Eatons PST operation back in the day and before that Pattersons PST. He at one point was THE engine builder for most of the Aussie Pro Stock guys until someone stole those customers away from him.
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Re: Pomona - Mopars in Comp Eliminator
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Mozeris and Mcclay are both small W8 deals I am sure that was true at one time, but Brian Lohnes said they were both "NASCAR" type engines and they did appear to have those type intake manifolds on them. This is what I could see on All Access and I could be mistaken. While he makes mistakes Brian is normally a pretty reliable source of information. Thanks, Bill
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Re: Pomona - Mopars in Comp Eliminator
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Cool, gotta love those fast high winding small blocks
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Re: Pomona - Mopars in Comp Eliminator
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As of last year they were both W8 deals. I have not talked to Joe or Kayla or Scott since late last year as I have been out east since November. But unless there was a BIG change in direction they are still W8 deals. Would be interesting if they have changed and I will be bending their ears if so. Never seen all access so not sure how to tell. But I will ask and see if anyone knows for sure. The headers maybe. Valve covers for sure but again not sure you can see that close Scotts car, red dragster that has his name on it. http://bobjohnson.zenfolio.com/p78069820Joes car, blue and white car http://bobjohnson.zenfolio.com/p239190744
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Re: Pomona - Mopars in Comp Eliminator
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At least three cars in Comp at Pomona have Mopar engines with "P" heads.
I am pretty sure Tom Mettler has a P5 headed motor built by Patterson-Elite.
I don't know about the other two.
I don't know anything about the engine in John Edward's Neon other than its a 377.
Does anyone else (Al?) know more about these cars. I am curious if anyone has got P7 heads working at this level.
Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-) 3 7098 PST Tom Mettler, Tehachapi CA, '01 Dodge Dako 7.371 8.05 -0.679
4 7235 C/ED Scott McClay, Tehachapi CA, N&P-Dodge 7.200 7.87 -0.670 10 703 B/ED Joe Mozeris, Phoenix AZ, Fritz-Dodge 6.950 7.54 -0.590
12 610 C/AA John Edwards, Glendora CA, '99 Neon 7.403 7.94 -0.537 I was lucky enough to catch this on All Access yesterday and those cars are flying. I have to learn, study, and watch this class more now that Pro Stock is dead to me. I hear the class numbers are pretty disappointing at this race but it looks like several others are too. This may interest me enough to start getting National Dragster again.
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Re: Pomona - Mopars in Comp Eliminator
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Tom Mettler has a P5 headed motor built by Patterson-Elite.
That is correct...they went from Waters to Panella to Elite.
Tony
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Re: Pomona - Mopars in Comp Eliminator
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Comp Eliminator is a true "mad scientist" class. Pounds per cubic inch and sometimes the cubic inches are in a strange, one off deal. 4 cylinder half of a big block Chevy with a Big Chief head on a billet block and things like that. Very innovative and high tech. And $$$$.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Pomona - Mopars in Comp Eliminator
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Nice to see the Mettlers back out with the truck. Their family business is drilling wells and thay have been to busy to race the last couple years. Clint Hairston has driven the truck a couple times which I am sure is what led to the Elite deal. All those PST P5 deals are up over 11000. Not unusual for a lot of the comp combos really. Keep going Gilley, he is a stud for sure rocking that 4 on his window! Chris Hall to good guy. Still have not confirmed Joe has changed combos. Not running much different than last years deal really so Id be surprised if he changed?? This is Joe and daughter Kaylas(ex Leopold record holder) SS car last year.
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Re: Pomona - Mopars in Comp Eliminator
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Does NHRA still have the instant CCI index factoring in Comp? I've seen guys get factored out of a race by being late and having to run to far under their index to win a round Comp eliminator racing is a really tough way to go racing if I had my choice and the resources to choose I would go blown alcohol racing instead of Comp Eliminator racing
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Re: Pomona - Mopars in Comp Eliminator
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This is Scott’s on the dyno Interesting firing order
footbrake N/A SB 408 Scamp 10.10 @ 132 street/strip 73 Duster 340 street strip 12.79 @ 105
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