Re: Tire height impact on 4 link?
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12/18/17 05:29 PM
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If it does not change the location of the rear housing in the chassis, I.E. move the housing up or down in relation to the chassis brackets, it doesn't change the geometry, which is the relationship between the chassis brackets and the housing brackets. If the reaction times go away with the tall tire, what makes you say the car works better?
In the past, I've turned a car that was not aggressive enough to begin with, into a real turd, simply by taking a 100" tire off and putting a 104" on it.
If you are shortening the shock length or moving shock mounts to lower ride height back to where it was before putting the tall tires on, then you are changing geometry.
Last edited by CMcAllister; 12/18/17 06:13 PM.
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Re: Tire height impact on 4 link?
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12/18/17 05:30 PM
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The 33s are dropping the lower bars down in the front so the IC has changed.. check both tires to see your change ![wave wave](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/wave.gif)
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Re: Tire height impact on 4 link?
[Re: CMcAllister]
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If it does not change the location of the rear housing in the chassis, I.E. move the housing up or down in relation to the chassis brackets, it doesn't change the geometry, which is the relationship between the chassis brackets and the housing brackets. If the reaction times go away with the tall tire, what makes you say the car works better?
In the past, I've turned a car that was not aggressive enough to begin with, into a real turd, simply by taking a 100" tire off and putting a 104" on it. Your correct.. the IC shouldnt change just the tire dia did ![wave wave](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/wave.gif)
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Re: Tire height impact on 4 link?
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12/18/17 10:45 PM
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Given the same axle to chassis dimensions (no suspension adjustments) what you are changing (slightly) is the center of gravity (forward &up) and lowering the anti squat line. The chassis should separate easier with the same shock settings. To get the chassis to do the same thing with the shorter tire, you would need to change the static i/c slightly rearward and slightly up. You must also consider the tire compound & sidewall. It may not be so much the tire HEIGHT that is giving you the changes you are noticing.
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Re: Tire height impact on 4 link?
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12/19/17 04:09 AM
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What is the actual measured circumference of both tire sizes at race pressures in the centers? Are both sets stiff sidewalls or not? How about actual weight of the tires and wheels ready to race? Lots of variables out there on race parts ![work work](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/work.gif)
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Re: Tire height impact on 4 link?
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12/19/17 12:28 PM
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What is the MEASURED roll out of the two tires. Could be a significant difference in rollout simply changing the effective gearing and SLR...There is a very small difference in IC, height and distance between the tires Id guess. Likely small enough that unless you have something like a slider 4 link deal you would not be able to make it the same with the two tires. The 10.5W stuff is a pretty big tire might just be an SLR deal..
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