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Re: converting master cylinder [Re: DoctorDiff] #241576
03/05/09 07:48 PM
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OEM 2-bolt aluminum master cylinders with plastic reservoir:

'95 Lebaron 7/8" bore**

'89 Dakota 15/16" bore**

'85 Diplomat (F-body) 1 1/32" bore*

'85 D-150 1 1/8" bore*

**Back of piston must be bored to accept manual brake push rod and retainer.

* Back of piston will accept manual brake push rod and retainer.

Rule of thumb:

1. Master cylinder piston size is relative to caliper piston size. Large caliper pistons require large MC piston.

2. All things equal, smaller bore master = higher line pressure and longer, softer pedal stroke.




Thanks, I didnt know what size the different body
lines used

Re: converting master cylinder [Re: MR_P_BODY] #241577
03/05/09 08:12 PM
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That is why I use the big bore.If you use a lot of braided line the pedal will fill like a soft grapefruit.

Re: converting master cylinder [Re: 8secDart] #241578
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That is why I use the big bore.If you use a lot of braided line the pedal will fill like a soft grapefruit.




I use the braided for the whole set up and it has a
little softness but not much... not worth my changing it

Re: converting master cylinder [Re: MR_P_BODY] #241579
03/05/09 08:28 PM
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It will have a hole lot of softness in a 3,800lbs car.I learned the hard way.

Re: converting master cylinder [Re: MR_P_BODY] #241580
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Just to clarify:
The 85 diplomat is a "M" body no??


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Re: converting master cylinder [Re: tilt] #241581
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Just to clarify:
The 85 diplomat is a "M" body no??




yes

Re: converting master cylinder [Re: MR_P_BODY] #241582
03/06/09 12:05 AM
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Quote:

Quote:

Just to clarify:
The 85 diplomat is a "M" body no??




yes







Re: converting master cylinder [Re: Sport440] #241583
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thanks--looks like the D150 is the way to go

Re: converting master cylinder [Re: 493_DART] #241584
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If you have stock, manual brakes, a 1 1/8" bore master will result in a hard pedal with low line pressure. The Diplomat master is usually a better choice.

Re: converting master cylinder [Re: DoctorDiff] #241585
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i think id rather have a stiffer pedal than a softer feel--i hate squishy brakes with long travel...


Re: converting master cylinder [Re: 493_DART] #241586
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MC bore size is relative to caliper bore size.

Why would you have squishy brakes with a long pedal travel?

Are you running aftermarket brakes with larger than stock caliper pistons?

Re: converting master cylinder [Re: DoctorDiff] #241587
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i was assuming ...


my factory brakes seem a little stiff/ not a lot of travel. they feel fine to me

Re: converting master cylinder [Re: 493_DART] #241588
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Yes, your stock brakes have a 1 1/32" bore master, the same size as the Diplomat aluminum master.

If you switch to a truck 1 1/8" bore master, you will probably have a rock hard pedal, low line pressure and minimal stopping power.

Re: converting master cylinder [Re: DoctorDiff] #241589
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ok--

thanks Doc !

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