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converting master cylinder

Posted By: 493_DART

converting master cylinder - 03/03/09 05:10 AM

Can you guys give me the exact car/year to ask for when i go get a mc? Im after the 2 bolt aluminum version to replace my old school iron mc on the dart .

Or where all the factory 2 bolt ones iron ? I cant remember...
Posted By: 8secDart

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/03/09 05:16 AM

Ask for 86 Dodge Ram.They will list aluminnm and iron.
Posted By: DemonDust

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/03/09 07:57 AM

There is a member on here that sells the a conversion kit from the 4 bolt to the 2 bolt with master cylinder for $65 i believe. It's a very nice piece. I'll take a pic of the one on my car for ya.
Posted By: 493_DART

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/03/09 08:42 AM

the 86 ram pieces online look like iron ? should it be a D150 1/2 ton or ?





R5P7Duster-- broke / budget racer here--ill have to do the $35 autozone piece and fab an adapter...
Posted By: 8secDart

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/03/09 10:34 PM

My NAPA has a listing on both.I will look at the shop for part #.It will list the bore size at most parts stores.Get the 1 5/8 and your good to go.
Posted By: 68Fastback

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/03/09 11:25 PM

Quote:

the 86 ram pieces online look like iron ? should it be a D150 1/2 ton or ?





R5P7Duster-- broke / budget racer here--ill have to do the $35 autozone piece and fab an adapter...




Don't forget the grommet from the brake rod.
Posted By: 493_DART

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/04/09 06:02 AM

Quote:

My NAPA has a listing on both.I will look at the shop for part #.It will list the bore size at most parts stores.Get the 1 5/8 and your good to go.





im only seeing 1 1/8 bore online --that would be great to get that part #
Posted By: cageman

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/04/09 08:06 AM

I use 85 diplomat when I buy them, 15 bucks, and you will need a junkyard resevoir, they dont come with them.
Hmm, big bore hard pedal, no thanks. The diplomat one feels the best.
I make a 1/4 inch alum plate that these bolt too, real easy, the big hole in the center is off set a bit. I traced a four bolt master pattern, then centered the two holes in between the four holes, I tap the two holes and put short studs in there, and done.
The lines are backwards on the newer ones, The rear port is the front line on the alum ones.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/04/09 01:14 PM

Quote:

Quote:

My NAPA has a listing on both.I will look at the shop for part #.It will list the bore size at most parts stores.Get the 1 5/8 and your good to go.





im only seeing 1 1/8 bore online --that would be great to get that part #




What brakes are you running, disc/drum or disc/disc
The most you would need is a 1 1/8(never heard of a
1 5/8 on a car... must have been a typo). Did you
start with manual brakes or power. The pedal ratio
is different between the 2
Posted By: 493_DART

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/04/09 09:35 PM

non-power , 73 A body parts, disc front / drum rear
Posted By: 8secDart

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/04/09 10:45 PM

Yes that was a typo,1 1/8.
Advance part # 10-1860.This is a Alum.
Could not find the NAPA # but call them and they should have it.Lenny
Posted By: 493_DART

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/05/09 03:25 AM

thanks guys




ill have to walk the junkyard and find the reservoir i guess.

Will the rod that i have now work, even with adding the 1/4" plate ?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/05/09 03:46 AM

You should get a adjustable one or make a longer one
Posted By: 493_DART

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/05/09 06:18 AM

Mr P - i can extend the stock one i guess and weld it. Do i just need it 1/4" longer then ?


Or is there a factory one i can use
Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/05/09 12:19 PM

Use the F-body aluminum master. The truck master has too large of a bore when used with stock, passenger car brakes.

The adapter thickness makes up for the difference in master cylinder design. You do not need to modify the original push rod.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/05/09 01:02 PM

Quote:

Use the F-body aluminum master. The truck master has too large of a bore when used with stock, passenger car brakes.

The adapter thickness makes up for the difference in master cylinder design. You do not need to modify the original push rod.




Dr Diff, is the F-body a 15/16" bore(which I believe
should be fine) also hows the difference made up with
using the adapter plate, is the piston moved rearward?
thanks
Posted By: B1MAXX

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/05/09 05:20 PM

Does anyone know the part number for the f-body one?
Posted By: Mopar_racer_99

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/05/09 10:52 PM

Please think about using one of these with modified master cylinders Pushrod kit with safety tab , I had one slip out on Ours in drive way, I had a friend who had one slip out on track, not a nice scene. John
Posted By: cgall

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/05/09 11:06 PM

I got the master and the adapter from Magnum HP.

Then I made a bracket to restrict the pedal travel...after losing the prop rod and crashing in '07.
Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/05/09 11:43 PM

OEM 2-bolt aluminum master cylinders with plastic reservoir:

'95 Lebaron 7/8" bore**

'89 Dakota 15/16" bore**

'85 Diplomat (F-body) 1 1/32" bore*

'85 D-150 1 1/8" bore*

**Back of piston must be bored to accept manual brake push rod and retainer.

* Back of piston will accept manual brake push rod and retainer.

Rule of thumb:

1. Master cylinder piston size is relative to caliper piston size. Large caliper pistons require large MC piston.

2. All things equal, smaller bore master = higher line pressure and longer, softer pedal stroke.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/05/09 11:48 PM

Quote:

OEM 2-bolt aluminum master cylinders with plastic reservoir:

'95 Lebaron 7/8" bore**

'89 Dakota 15/16" bore**

'85 Diplomat (F-body) 1 1/32" bore*

'85 D-150 1 1/8" bore*

**Back of piston must be bored to accept manual brake push rod and retainer.

* Back of piston will accept manual brake push rod and retainer.

Rule of thumb:

1. Master cylinder piston size is relative to caliper piston size. Large caliper pistons require large MC piston.

2. All things equal, smaller bore master = higher line pressure and longer, softer pedal stroke.




Thanks, I didnt know what size the different body
lines used
Posted By: 8secDart

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/06/09 12:12 AM

That is why I use the big bore.If you use a lot of braided line the pedal will fill like a soft grapefruit.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/06/09 12:23 AM

Quote:

That is why I use the big bore.If you use a lot of braided line the pedal will fill like a soft grapefruit.




I use the braided for the whole set up and it has a
little softness but not much... not worth my changing it
Posted By: 8secDart

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/06/09 12:28 AM

It will have a hole lot of softness in a 3,800lbs car.I learned the hard way.
Posted By: tilt

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/06/09 02:43 AM

Just to clarify:
The 85 diplomat is a "M" body no??
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/06/09 03:56 AM

Quote:

Just to clarify:
The 85 diplomat is a "M" body no??




yes
Posted By: Sport440

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/06/09 04:05 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Just to clarify:
The 85 diplomat is a "M" body no??




yes






Posted By: 493_DART

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/06/09 09:49 AM

thanks--looks like the D150 is the way to go
Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/06/09 11:35 AM

If you have stock, manual brakes, a 1 1/8" bore master will result in a hard pedal with low line pressure. The Diplomat master is usually a better choice.
Posted By: 493_DART

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/07/09 08:20 AM

i think id rather have a stiffer pedal than a softer feel--i hate squishy brakes with long travel...

Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/07/09 01:46 PM

MC bore size is relative to caliper bore size.

Why would you have squishy brakes with a long pedal travel?

Are you running aftermarket brakes with larger than stock caliper pistons?
Posted By: 493_DART

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/07/09 09:03 PM

i was assuming ...


my factory brakes seem a little stiff/ not a lot of travel. they feel fine to me
Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/07/09 10:01 PM

Yes, your stock brakes have a 1 1/32" bore master, the same size as the Diplomat aluminum master.

If you switch to a truck 1 1/8" bore master, you will probably have a rock hard pedal, low line pressure and minimal stopping power.
Posted By: 493_DART

Re: converting master cylinder - 03/08/09 08:07 AM

ok--

thanks Doc !
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