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Re: Hemi compression ration [Re: Lost in life] #2405976
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With 2.2 rod journals you could probably do internal oiling. I have a Million dual line external system. The stroke is 4.75. one one downside is real short piston skirts. After having both a 528 and a 605 I'd never go back. My motor made 765 ft lbs at 3500 rpm and peaked at 818 ft lbs.

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Wow...that would set you back in the seat! Thanks for the information.

Re: Hemi compression ration [Re: Lost in life] #2406046
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Originally Posted By Lost in life
Wow...that would set you back in the seat! Thanks for the information.

Me thinks them kind of motors spin the tire pretty easily and regularly devil work


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Yeah, I think that is part of the fun! If you do get traction better have bead locks or screwed rims!

Re: Hemi compression ration [Re: Lost in life] #2406177
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I got my Stage V heads from Tim at FHO , didn't take very long to CNC assemble and ship. Give him a call, he'll tell you the wait time as he does the heads to your specs..


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Re: Hemi compression ration [Re: Lost in life] #2406211
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I agree with most people so far. Mine is a 540, Stage V heads, and made 712hp @ 6k on 91.

You will simply not be able to make use of 700 hp on a street setup. 800 will just be worse. It's fun to say you have it, but that's about it...

Re: Hemi compression ration [Re: Lost in life] #2406287
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My 572 is a lil over 11:1 and runs great on pump gas. It's been 9.50s at 140 mph on the motor. When I want to go fast, I put race fuel in it and use the nitrous to go 8.90s at 150 mph.
My previous engine was 14:1 and ran on C12...it was streetable, but a huge PITA w/ it being strictly a race fuel engine. I ran into Jim Pranis at the Mopar Nats right after he'd finished his big pump gas hemi build. We got to talking about it and I decided I had to have one.


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'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: Hemi compression ration [Re: Lost in life] #2406319
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Thanks for all the replies. After a bit of soul searching and a reality check I decided I will go with a motor that has between 10.5-11.5 compression ratio. In all probability I will never use the full potential of the horsepower and torque that motor will bring to my Dart. I have a call into the engine builder and will discuss with him for further clarification and advice. Thanks again.

Re: Hemi compression ration [Re: Lost in life] #2406326
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Chip, what gear ratio and tire diameter are you running on your 572?

Re: Hemi compression ration [Re: lockjaw-express] #2406383
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Originally Posted By lockjaw-express
Chip, what gear ratio and tire diameter are you running on your 572?

4.10 gear and a 30" dia. tire (295-65 radial).


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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Hemi compression ration [Re: Lost in life] #2406461
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My 528" Hemi is a 10.5:1 Pump gas engine & still made 853 / 691 on pump gas (93 Octane).


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Re: Hemi compression ration [Re: 6PKRTSE] #2406469
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Mine made almost exactly the same numbers as Micks, what I learned real quick is that you better be running Drag radials on the street or you can get in trouble quick!

Re: Hemi compression ration [Re: Lost in life] #2406476
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So would you mind sharing the build specs to get those big numbers? I am most likely going to try to run some kind of slick on the street...No body really bothers you around here unless you are being a dumb a** and causing issues.

Re: Hemi compression ration [Re: Lost in life] #2406531
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How much can the stock street head stand? Mines 4.31x4.5 crank, what's the total advance you run? I'm all ears.

Re: Hemi compression ration [Re: Lost in life] #2406637
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High compression is going to be more knock sensitive with a standard transmission:
1. depending on your "crawl ratio" (1st gear X axle ratio)
2. flywheel weight
3. advance curve


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Re: Hemi compression ration [Re: Lee446] #2406646
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Originally Posted By Lee446
what I learned real quick is that you better be running Drag radials on the street or you can get in trouble quick!

I had the exact opposite experience with my old pump gas Duster, it would spin the snot out of the M/T ET Street radials on the street, on a decent to good track they where faster than the same size ET Street bias ply where up
On the street the bias ply tires where a lot easier to hook and wouldn't bust loose in high gear like the radials would work shruggy
That 518 C.I. 400 stroker Indy headed motor made a tad bit above 725 HP and similar torque, not a real street killer shruggy


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Re: Hemi compression ration [Re: Cab_Burge] #2406721
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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
Originally Posted By Lee446
what I learned real quick is that you better be running Drag radials on the street or you can get in trouble quick!

I had the exact opposite experience with my old pump gas Duster, it would spin the snot out of the M/T ET Street radials on the street, on a decent to good track they where faster than the same size ET Street bias ply where up
On the street the bias ply tires where a lot easier to hook and wouldn't bust loose in high gear like the radials would work shruggy
That 518 C.I. 400 stroker Indy headed motor made a tad bit above 725 HP and similar torque, not a real street killer shruggy

iagree Drag radials are still like driving on ice on the street...they don't work on the highway. If you want street traction, you have to go w/ a bias ply tire.


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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Hemi compression ration [Re: Lost in life] #2406759
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Been there done it with a street car. Went from 750 hp wedge to 1000 hp high compression hemi in my street strip car. For drag racing do the high compression. My car with 1000 hp was not fun on the street. Would blow the tires off in any gear. Was in the limiter before he pedal was half way down. Raced a 12 second car on the street and almost got beat because all I did was spin. Took that motor down to pump gas and small cam. 605 cu inch. 850 hp with pump gas. Car is a blast to drive now on the street. I don’t fear race gas and compression on the street. I just think when u get over 800 on the street the fun factor goes away.


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I think for my needs a 700 HP/torque motor will do everything I want it to do. Yet, I want to make sure the local mustang and hellcat boys don't make the car look silly if push comes to shove. Ego is a terrible thing. Thanks for the replies.

Re: Hemi compression ration [Re: Lost in life] #2406858
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"Ego is a terrible thing" Especially with a HEMI! Go big or Go Home!

For street you can always go fuel injection and put a MSD grid in it - then you can program it for a given power level - many ways to do things even with the cross ram you plan to use - the technology is out there.

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