Flat cam
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Well I started getting some oil pressure fluctuations & so I dropped the oil pan, looking up I could see my cam was going flat,so much for my EDM tool steel lifters, all 16 lobes are going away, 4300 miles, main bearings dont look to good, REBUILD time, GRRRRRRRRRR never again will I use a FT cam, time for roller.
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Re: Flat cam
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What were your spring pressures? If ya go too crazy its best to run a billet core with ft lobes.
What do the lifters look like? Any noticeably flat lobes vs others? 155 seat 380 open , lifters still have convex face.
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Re: Flat cam
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Well I started getting some oil pressure fluctuations & so I dropped the oil pan, looking up I could see my cam was going flat,so much for my EDM tool steel lifters, all 16 lobes are going away, 4300 miles, main bearings dont look to good, REBUILD time, GRRRRRRRRRR never again will I use a FT cam, time for roller. Sorry to see this and why I went roller and never looked back.......the guys that tell ya it's a hassle to keep em lashed or whatever are probably the same ones who say EFI is easier and less work than a carb........DO IT and you will love it but I'd go solid..........
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Re: Flat cam
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What oil were you using. So far so good with my solid lift cam, edm lifters, brad penn, and a zinc additive. Coming apart after 3 years for freshening and possibly a roller cam
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Re: Flat cam
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I have not measured the lobes, the cam bearings look mushed out, the main bearing is VERY smooth but polished looking.
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Re: Flat cam
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That rod on the left looks bent or is it just the pic........ its the pic.
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Re: Flat cam
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What oil were you using. So far so good with my solid lift cam, edm lifters, brad penn, and a zinc additive. Coming apart after 3 years for freshening and possibly a roller cam 10/30 VR1
1968 Charger COLD A/C Hilborn EFI 512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim 2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5
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Re: Flat cam
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Well I started getting some oil pressure fluctuations & so I dropped the oil pan, looking up I could see my cam was going flat,so much for my EDM tool steel lifters, all 16 lobes are going away, 4300 miles, main bearings dont look to good, REBUILD time, GRRRRRRRRRR never again will I use a FT cam, time for roller. Sorry to see this and why I went roller and never looked back.......the guys that tell ya it's a hassle to keep em lashed or whatever are probably the same ones who say EFI is easier and less work than a carb........DO IT and you will love it but I'd go solid.......... it was a solid, going back solid roller
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Re: Flat cam
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I blew up your cam pictures and man does that have some funky wear marks on it. Almost like it was thrusting back and forth badly
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Re: Flat cam
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What oil were you using. So far so good with my solid lift cam, edm lifters, brad penn, and a zinc additive. Coming apart after 3 years for freshening and possibly a roller cam 10/30 VR1 I don't want to start a slam the oil vendor, but all I can say is I lost 2 flat tappet cams using VR1. I swapped to Driven (Joe Gibbs) oil. So far so good on the street car. Dwayne talked me into a solid roller for the new GTX I am building.
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Re: Flat cam
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If it was me I would put the cam back in to see were it sits in relation to the lifter bores. And probably go a step Further and put the chain on and have someone turn the engine over with a ratchet to see what is going on. But that’s me and I like to get to the bottom of things
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Re: Flat cam
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You might still have another issue. Worn cam lobes won't cause oil pressure issues. thats why I am going back through it, the oil pump drive bushing was worn real bad also.
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Re: Flat cam
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Well I started getting some oil pressure fluctuations & so I dropped the oil pan, looking up I could see my cam was going flat,so much for my EDM tool steel lifters, all 16 lobes are going away, 4300 miles, main bearings dont look to good, REBUILD time, GRRRRRRRRRR never again will I use a FT cam, time for roller. Sorry to see this and why I went roller and never looked back.......the guys that tell ya it's a hassle to keep em lashed or whatever are probably the same ones who say EFI is easier and less work than a carb........DO IT and you will love it but I'd go solid.......... it was a solid, going back solid roller What brand cam? How aggressive are the lobes? Was the cam nitrided, as well as used with tool steel EDM lifters?
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Re: Flat cam
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You might still have another issue. Worn cam lobes won't cause oil pressure issues. Thats why I asked for bearing pics, what brand/type bearings? Al based bearings and alot of street type bearing seem to self polish a bit. Any additive in the oil? I always look for wear consistency off the nose since the lobes were ground from the same blank and it looks like its got it. Sorry for all the questions, knock on wood but ive always ran solids because they work for me and it would cost alot to switch several motors over to roller and like others, just trying to learn a bit more. I too had to blow it up to get a better look.
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Re: Flat cam
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From what I have seen over the years....... The Schubeck/tool steel type lifters are not the hot ticket for "street" cars. I know of numerous people who have been through this.
After you get the cam out, if you can, get some close up pics of the nose of the lobes, so I can see if they look like others I've had in the shop.
When it's a real street car(more driving, less racing), and won't be running a roller cam...... My preference is not to use real aggressive lobes, get the cam nitrided, and use normal edm lifters. And of course high zinc oil....... And I'm not in the "light oil" camp.
I prefer the Driven or Brad Penn myself.
Edit: I didn't see the cam pic in the first post initially. The wear and pitting on the nose like you have is what I usually see when using this style of lifter on iron cam cores when "normal" cam profiles are used. "Cheater", or dwell at full lift type lobes seem to hold up much better when this style of lifter is used, even with much higher spring loads. Nitriding doesn't help at all.
I've never gotten a good answer on what's happening, but I have a theory.
It's not "defective" parts, and I don't think different oil would solve it.
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