Quench pad shape, angle and matching combustion cham design?
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My new pistons have a significant quench pad that is parallel to and pretty much matches the milled flat on the head. My combustion chambers are heat shaped Indy EZ's with minor shaping to unshroud the valves better.
Notching the tops of the bore was done to unshroud the bigger valves and make them more closely match the combustion chamber shape.
It occurred to me that the high speed flow that results from the quench process and design of the components could be optimized by shaping them to maximize the effectiveness of the entire process using a slightly angled quench pad or matching the combustion chamber and piston head shape.
Even angling the quench pad a few degrees and/or using a multiple facet shape for the quench dome surface seems like it would help direct and shoot the gasses towards the combustion chamber better.
Thoughts?
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's 1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: Quench pad shape, angle and matching combustion cham design?
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Let see, the valves open and close, the faster they do that the more turbulence in the airflow correct I'm assuming your building a BB so the RPM limit and peak torque and HP can be moved around by the camshaft, intake manifold, carb or carbs. sizes and exhaust system, correct? My point is the most efficient designs on combustion chambers for these motor usually have a very small combustion chamber Reducing the piston dome volume by milling it may reduce the compression ratio also, correct? What is the motor being built for, race or street or race and street?
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Re: Quench pad shape, angle and matching combustion cham design?
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It occurred to me that the high speed flow that results from the quench process and design of the components could be optimized by shaping them to maximize the effectiveness of the entire process using a slightly angled quench pad or matching the combustion chamber and piston head shape.
once thought on that, working on combustion chamber quench pad just slightly sloped to combustion chamber, but allways within the quench specs... maybe from .035 or so up to .045 or so
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Re: Quench pad shape, angle and matching combustion cham design?
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Cab, The motor is built. I was bench racing at this point. I went for a 10.2 to 1 compression ratio for hot street- pump gas use.
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's 1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: Quench pad shape, angle and matching combustion cham design?
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stock iron heads?
Nevermind, just reread the first post, Indys. I'm workin on similar CR but stock iron ported and bigger valves on 452s
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Re: Quench pad shape, angle and matching combustion cham design?
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Former Porsche engineer Michael May's patented "Fireball" combustion chamber had a tiny pocket from exhaust valve to sparkplug with a nearly flush intake valve. Swirl was created with a pocket in the piston crown. Static compression was as high as 14 to 1. Jaguar had V12 production heads around 12 to 1 cr. Aftermarket heads were made for GM big blocks with a high cr. It was not the best cyl head for airflow at high rpm http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=63761
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