Re: Why cut down or remove divider on a two plane manifold?
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Read the Mopar Direct Connection engine book I can't remember but think it was to add a little top end--dual Planes are under rated folks think they will not make HP like a single and that is mostly correct but the TQ down low that is given away with a single plane is considerable I always relate this tale--while at Indy Cylinder head one PRI week Herb McCandless brought a high compression giant roller 360 CI aluminum rod for dyno test with the then in development Indybrocks--it made a little over 600 HP with single plane but still managed over 584 HP with an air gap dual plane--I raced 1/8th all my life and always had a dual plane RPM or such with maybe a spacer Most LD 340's you find these days are cut down center divider because the Mopar book said do it It will not hurt the intake
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Re: Why cut down or remove divider on a two plane manifold?
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If your tune, especially idle quality and staging for a converter, is sensitive, removing the divider will reduce your vacuum signal. Typically dealt with by increasing idle spark, more pump shot, advance the cam 2 degrees, etc. A 180 with no divider has worse C-to-C mixture distribution, and different plenum volumes between high and low levels. As Andy says, add a spacer and try it out.
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Re: Why cut down or remove divider on a two plane manifold?
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Dual planes are a mess with distribution at higher RPM EGT's on dyno usually reveal scary differences--this can be fixed easy with staggered jetting--but requires egt / dyno to do the best I always found that 1/8th mile the RPM or Ld340 worked for best 60 ft and low TQ--singles will MPH a tad better and distribution is a breeze but in normal car 1/8th mile small blocks ( like your normal 318-340-360 combos)the dual plane is a plus Bigger cube or way good heads--higher RPM range and all 1/4 mile we use a single spacers are miracle working devices but the main thing they do is just add Volume Volume and matching volume to CI is the key
Think of the intake as a beer cooler--8 thirsty cylinders want to reach in and get one--the bigger it is and the more that are in there means no cylinder reaches in an empty cooler -- my analogy anyway
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Re: Why cut down or remove divider on a two plane manifold?
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I know of a member here who did some testing of this very thing on the dyno. His isn't running the typical street/strip combo though. Maybe he'll chime in.
His testing included a 6bbl set up, as well as a Holley SD. The dual plane was the Indy 440-2D. My recollection is that he started with the 440-2D at full divider height, then started cutting it down in a few steps, testing at each point...... And showing a power gain at each step, finally reaching the point where the divider was completely removed, which made the most power.... On that combo.
I've sold quite a few of those manifolds as part of a top end package for BB strokers, and I usually cut the divider down about 3/4" as the starting point.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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Re: Why cut down or remove divider on a two plane manifold?
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this can be fixed easy with staggered jetting
IME this may be limited to a specific throttle opening (vacuum level) or RPM range.
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Re: Why cut down or remove divider on a two plane manifold?
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Think of the intake as a beer cooler--8 thirsty cylinders want to reach in and get one--the bigger it is and the more that are in there means no cylinder reaches in an empty cooler -- my analogy anyway
Now there's an analogy I can relate to. My RPM is box stock and since I have zero hood clearance to add a spacer, I've thought about extending the notch that Edelbrock casted in all the way across the plenum. ..... Watching in "learn" mode.
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Re: Why cut down or remove divider on a two plane manifold?
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I've never tried it, I used to just radius the divider at the top, and run a 2" spacer (Open or HVH transition spacer) One thing many people don't do is up the carb size. We've run 850-950 carbs on Air Gap and Stealth intakes with great success on 340-365 engines.
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Re: Why cut down or remove divider on a two plane manifold?
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You are splitting hairs--divider gone will not hurt a 318 or any other engine any noticeable amount IME
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Re: Why cut down or remove divider on a two plane manifold?
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Ha, I added a 2" carb spacer and cut slots in it so I could add a divider to it this way the plenum divider in the manifold was extended all the way up to the carb.
This was an edelbrock LD4B intake running a blow through 650 carb and procharger @8psi.
Been almost 20 yrs ago so I"m not sure why I did it. After reading this I should have cut it out.
I did notice I had staggered jetting in the carb though. Front back and side to side.
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