Re: Engine Assembly
[Re: jeebis44]
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07/18/17 04:33 PM
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For intake or anything that can be touched by fuel, I use Hylomar Universal Blue. Gaskacinch on cork rubber gaskets or paper gaskets for timing cover, oil pan, etc.
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Re: Engine Assembly
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07/18/17 04:55 PM
07/18/17 04:55 PM
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Silicone should be NOWHERE on a new engine, except maybe the header flange trick mentioned from time to time.
If you have bought quality gaskets they go on dry. Ask the gasket manufacturers and they'll confirm. Roadhazard on this board IS Superformance Gaskets. Ask him.
I use silicone when I am too cheap or lazy to buy a valve cover gasket, laying a decent bead and letting it tack up, then setting it on the head until the silicone sets up, then torqueing. Gasket cement I use occasionally to glue a gasket to a surface where I don't want it to fall off or move during assembly.
The Right Stuff is what the factories use to replace gaskets. For example my '93 Suburban didn't have a differential cover gasket. If you ask for the part at a dealership the part number will be attached to a plastic bag holding a tube of something. It is not a gasket "dressing" which is an antique term. I use it on differential covers, valve covers, oil pans, timing covers, in place of gaskets. It sets up almost instantly when the flanges are drawn together. I have installed a part, put away the wrenches and driven away without a single leak. Righteous. Be prepared to cut the material with a knife of some sort to disassemble. It will not tolerate gasoline, it foams.
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Re: Engine Assembly
[Re: dogdays]
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07/19/17 09:12 AM
07/19/17 09:12 AM
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Silicone should be NOWHERE on a new engine, except maybe the header flange trick mentioned from time to time.
If you have bought quality gaskets they go on dry. Ask the gasket manufacturers and they'll confirm. Roadhazard on this board IS Superformance Gaskets. Ask him. I agree with one exception, the embossed steel head and intake gaskets mopar has used over the years and those do not use RTV. But any fiber, composite, or MLS gasket, yeah it goes dry.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.
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Re: Engine Assembly
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07/19/17 05:57 PM
07/19/17 05:57 PM
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Chrysler used those embossed steel gaskets everywhere they could. They put them in dry. I have to believe that's how they were intended to be used. They worked all right as long as the mating surfaces were both planar.
Back in the day everyone had their own idea on how to make'em better. Two competing ideas were two coats of aluminum spray paint and put them in wet, or spray with Copper Coat. It feels intuitive that would be better, right? But looking at it as adding another slippery layer between the surfaces sheds a different light on the subject. Maybe the factory really did employ engineers and the coatings on the steel gaskets were just the right thickness.
Anyway, those methods didn't cause failures often.
Oil pan flanges often have the bolt holes deformed inward because of overtightening. I carefully return them to original and they seem to torque up all right. R. It is either Mancini or Hughes that now offers such a kit. 15'pounds torque, no dimpling, no silicone, no leaking.
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Re: Engine Assembly
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07/19/17 06:13 PM
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Chrysler used those embossed steel gaskets everywhere they could. They put them in dry. Straight from the 1964 Chrysler FSM on cylinder head installation "Coat the new gaskets with a suitable sealer, MoPar Number 1122893. Install the gaskets and cylinder heads." Straight out of the 1973 Dodge FSM, B/RB section, on cylinder head installation. 'Coat new gaskets lightly with a suitable sealer, Chrysler Number 1057794 or equivalent. Install gaskets and cylinder heads' I picked the oldest and the newest relevant FSM's I had on hand.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.
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