Has anyone noticed they switched packaging and labels recently? Has anyone noticed anything different about it? I'm chasing a weird oil temperature issue that has just shown it self after changing oil to this new style brad penn.

brad penn has sold I'm told same product so summit states just got 2 cases of break in oil sill green ?

Still green. Unfortunately I'm not sure it's the same stuff.



http://www.amref.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=49

A friend of mine who owns a tractor service said it's called Penn grade. Another company who makes a lower quality product bought it, and it seems to him, the quality is not the same.

This is not a warm fuzzy as I was preparing to buy Brad penn break in lube for a new build that I'm doing.

So is it still suitable as a break in lube?

What happened with oil temp?

This is why I don't jump on the bandwagon w/all of this wazoo bs..........Valvoline has been around longer than most along w/others and has been in some fast long lived rides so between Valvoline and Mobile-1, most anyone's needs can be met............

Seems like motor oil and ignition products always have that "snake oil salesman" vibe.

That link goes to the news letter that is three years ago. As far as is it ok for break in oil. I use and have used it exclusively for about the same time. Seems pretty ok to me.
I work a lot with Charlie Buck racing engines. One of the finest engine shops anywhere. He was offered all of the Valvoline racing oil he could use and he PAYS for the Brad Penn from the same place I get mine. If you ask him about it he will show you the cranks out of his 3000 Hp engines. Good enough for my little piddley 800 to 1000 Hp hemi and wedges....... I am not pooing on anybodys oil or saying that this brand or that brand is crap. Todd

I was wondering how long it was going to take for someone to notice the date on the ad. The question that hasn't been asked - has ANYONE had an issue with Penn in their own motors?

You would be very surprised to see what differences there are in some of the oils, or maybe better stated, what ISNT true about some of the marketing claims. I have been fortunate to get a look at some testing done by some people involved in NASCAR shops, and do nothing but study and test oils. There absolutely IS different results and characteristics of many of the common named oils, and more so, the higher level racing oils.Most people dont see the difference, because they simply arent necessarily stressing the limits of the oils, so the off the shelf stuff will always work, and thats fine, as there isnt any real need for anything different. Often times , these users change the oil enough, where its not really a big deal. When you really want to see what an oil is all about, put it in a high RPM circle track engine, or boat motor. I recently witnessed a 20* temperature difference between two oils, straight up, change oil, temps dropped. A " common" off the shelf oil, was replaced with a higher end oil, and the results were exactly that. When you run for upward of 30 minutes, especially on a dirt track, where clay starts to interfere with cooling access, and flow, things happen fast at higher RPMs. I also saw a trick to reduce oil temps with a simple 10 minute procedure while building a engine.Oil temps lowered. Some of the parts manufactures also get into oil testing, such as with hydraulic lifters and such, where the weight of the oil is even a big deal. These people that test this stuff are very smart, have the knowledge, and the testing facilities, and more importantly, the hard data to compare.A recent test of the new CK diesel oils really showed a problem with flat tappet cams....its real world stuff. trust me.

My point is, there IS a huge difference in a box store oil, versus some of the race brands. The reality is, not every situation will benefit from it.Where those benefits may be noticed, might not matter in many of the engines we are talking about. I will stick with what I am comfortable with, and works, always based on research and input from some very sharp and experienced people.

My two cents.

I suppose you can't "spill the beans" about these oils............

^^What he said^^

He did spill the beans.

He said COMMON oils. The ones you can buy at the store.

I have to order the oil I use. Last I looked, it's about $20.00 per quart. I pay that willingly.

You can buy Mobile-1 and the supposed new Pennzoil they put in the "high end" cars of today in stores.............Do those not stack up?

Most of the time they are good enough. Are they THE best? Probably not.

Brad Penn oil is a very good lubricant, the old oilfield it comes from up in Pa has always been known for great crude for lubrication purposes. Most of the synthetic oils made today are trying to copy the molecular chain that oil has naturally.

Heard it was Kendall w/additives..............

Dom, Not likely. Comparing the spec sheets for Brad Penn's oils and the ones for Kendall and they're different products.

Like most theories, there's possibly some bits of truth in them. For example I know that Brad Penn and Kendall can be had from the same distributors. They might even be part of the the same company; I don't recall and don't care enough to look.
It's also possible they use some of the same base stock or blending facilities, however I don't think so. Brad Penn had their own facilities. However, a lot of 'brands' have their oil blended and labelled at the same facility but that doesn't mean they're the same.

IMO it is better to compare specific oil rather than Brands. Sometimes a brand doesn't have the oil characteristics we want. Then keep looking. Also within bigger brands, like Mobile 1, there are often a variety of oils available. Some for extended miles, some for high milage, another for Euro-truck specs, etc. Even with the same SAE grade, the viscosities, the detergents, and additives can be different.

Fortunately, most of the companies have spec sheets available; and for those really into the tech, people sometimes post Virgin Oil Analysis (VOA) results on forums.

If you're interested in the subject, check out Richard Widman's paper. Download the pdf from his Corvair page
http://www.widman.biz/Corvair/English/Links/Oil.html
He doesn't get into specifically into racing but provides all the info needed to figure it how cold or high temperatures, pressures or changes in bearing clearences can change things.

Kendall Oil has been bought/sold several times in the last 15+ years. It started when they merged with Amalie Oil. Eventually they became part of Conoco-Phillips.
Kendall dropped the "green" GT-1 when the Amalie/Kendall parent corp sold the Bradford refinery to American Refinery Corp, the makers of Brad Penn.

So no, Brad Penn is not Kendall GT-1 with additives.