Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Enclosed trailer question #2302732
05/11/17 06:40 AM
05/11/17 06:40 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,105
Horsham, Pa.
Finoke Offline OP
master
Finoke  Offline OP
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,105
Horsham, Pa.
I don't own a trailer but have been thinking a lot lately about buying one. I drive my cuda to shows but thought I could use the trailer for long distance events.

It seems an e body and even a b body would fit fine in a 20 ft trailer, but I see most guys buy a 24 ft trailer. Is the main reason to have more room to tie down the front?

I drive a 2012 Ram with tow package. Standard cab and bed with 5.7 hemi, 4 wheel drive, 20" wheels and 3:91 gears.

Tom

Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: Finoke] #2302735
05/11/17 07:14 AM
05/11/17 07:14 AM
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 3,319
Chicago Burbs
sthemi Offline
master
sthemi  Offline
master

Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 3,319
Chicago Burbs
To properly distribute the weight, 24 ft works best. Also, unless you buy a side door, or are really skinny you will need a few feet in front to mount the winch to load it, and have room for spare trailer tires, cooler , generator, parts tool box etc.

Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: Finoke] #2302746
05/11/17 08:55 AM
05/11/17 08:55 AM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 28,312
Cincinnati, Ohio
Challenger 1 Offline
Too Many Posts
Challenger 1  Offline
Too Many Posts

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 28,312
Cincinnati, Ohio
20' is too small and is worthless when it comes to resale.

24' is the smallest you should consider.

A 2 door pickup has a short wheelbase and will not be the idea tow vehicle. 20-24' won't matter as far as pulling it.

What is a standard bed? If it's the short bed than it will really be a handful to tow with because of the even shorter WB. You need a long WB to tow with comfortably.

Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: Challenger 1] #2302752
05/11/17 09:21 AM
05/11/17 09:21 AM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,212
Minnesota
peabodyracing Offline
top fuel
peabodyracing  Offline
top fuel

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,212
Minnesota
I agree with previous input. Had a 28' enclosed and while the space was nice, it was a bit too long for some situations. I felt a 24' would be ideal.

Be careful on weight capacity. In my opinion a 7000 pd enclosed trailer can quickly be over capacity if you're not careful. You need to remember the weight of the trailer counts in the capacity calculation.

This advice coming from someone who just finished repairs on a 7000 pd H&H tilt bed which had an inner wheel bearing failure after 2500 miles of use. That trailer weighs 2000 pds empty.

Pulling a big trailer with a short wheelbase truck is not fun. I pulled mine with a 2013 Ram 1/2 ton 4 dr pickup. Capacity wise it pulled fine but on occasion the trailer would let you know it was back there. Next time I'd use at least a 3/4 ton.


Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way
Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: peabodyracing] #2302763
05/11/17 10:16 AM
05/11/17 10:16 AM
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 632
MD-USA
D
Dodgeguy101 Offline
mopar
Dodgeguy101  Offline
mopar
D

Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 632
MD-USA
I'll put my 2 cents in, as long as you get the weight distribution right, not driving 80 mph, or weaving in and out of traffic, you will be fine with what you have. But, just heed the advice above, dont overload the trailer, tire pressure and watch your GVW.

Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: Dodgeguy101] #2302780
05/11/17 11:24 AM
05/11/17 11:24 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,354
Aurora, Oh.
M
max_maniac Offline
master
max_maniac  Offline
master
M

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,354
Aurora, Oh.
OK - if all you are going to use it for is to take a "Show Car" out every now and then you will be fine with a 20 ft trailer. You will not be taking a generator, big tool box and sleeping gear and all kinds of other stuff - right? So to get your car to where you are going a 20 footer is easy to handle and will serve your needs well. Overkill is what most people suggest when it's not needed. Now if you were racing the car then I would say you need a larger trailer just to carry the extra's that are needed. I also call BS on what size truck is needed most times. If you do get a 20 ft trailer your 1500 and even a short wheel base will do fine as long as you are careful and not driving like a mad man. Thats my twocents and I'm sticking by it!!!


Russ laugh

Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: Finoke] #2302785
05/11/17 11:28 AM
05/11/17 11:28 AM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,336
Ball Ground, Georgia
Dixie Offline
top fuel
Dixie  Offline
top fuel

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,336
Ball Ground, Georgia
Good advice above. I'll add that if you do use your regular cab truck, I'd purchase a equalizer hitch and sway bar. That will help control the trailer. Buy a trailer with brakes on both axles.


Dixie Restoration Parts
Phone -(770) 975-9898
Phone Hours: M-F 10am-5pm EST
website: www.dixierestorationparts.com
email: mail@dixierestorationparts.com
Veteran owned small business

The Best Parts at a Fair Price.
Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: Finoke] #2302791
05/11/17 11:38 AM
05/11/17 11:38 AM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 21,318
Manitoba, Canada
DaytonaTurbo Offline
Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo  Offline
Too Many Posts

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 21,318
Manitoba, Canada
The 20' won't leave you enough room to tie down an 18' car. Plus it's a little butt puckering to drive in each time having to almost touch the front wall every time you load. The 24 gives you enough room to pull in, balance the load and strap properly.

IMO an enclosed 24 is too much trailer for your 1/2 ton. Your 5.7 will be screaming to pull that thing especially when you hit a good wind. I think you would be better off with an open trailer in this case.

Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: Finoke] #2302793
05/11/17 11:45 AM
05/11/17 11:45 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,059
MD
RTSE4ME Offline
top fuel
RTSE4ME  Offline
top fuel

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,059
MD
I have a similar truck reg cab short bed and borrowed a 20 ft enclosed a couple times hauling a 2000lb race car.
I didn't have any issues but I was only going a short distance.
Since you are not racing and not taking extra stuff I think a 20'
could work.
Resale isn't that bad a lot of sports car/Porsche guys buy them.
Looked for used aluminum 20' but never found a decent deal I ended up buying an open trailer since I found one for cheap.

Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: RTSE4ME] #2302796
05/11/17 11:49 AM
05/11/17 11:49 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 43,615
Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy
Rhinodart Offline
Rhinotruck
Rhinodart  Offline
Rhinotruck

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 43,615
Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy
I have a 32' LQ trailer that has a 20' garage and I have had my 69 D200 truck in it several times with no issues. Most people buy a 24' because being the most popular length means there are more of them being built hence the price is usually just a few hundred more than a 20' trailer. work If you ever owned a 20' trailer then you find out that you eventually run out of space for things you would like to bring along or you want to buy a large part at a swap meet and find if you had more room you could have brought home! runaway


The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.

JB Rhinehart, Realist

A-Body's RULE!
Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: Finoke] #2302817
05/11/17 12:45 PM
05/11/17 12:45 PM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 374
Alberta, Canada
300rag Offline
enthusiast
300rag  Offline
enthusiast

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 374
Alberta, Canada
Here's a thought. For ease of tying down, I had my trailer equipped with luggage doors all around and full length E-track to install wheel straps. No crawling under the car for me. This is a 22'. Towed it through the Rockies with two different Rams.

12e1d5cc-1.jpgDSCN0130 (Large).JPGDSCN0132 (Large).JPGtrailer.jpg

Peter



'65 300 'vert 413/4spd
'18 Challenger R/T Shaker
'19 Durango R/T
Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: 300rag] #2302841
05/11/17 01:59 PM
05/11/17 01:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,105
Horsham, Pa.
Finoke Offline OP
master
Finoke  Offline OP
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,105
Horsham, Pa.
All great input, keep it coming...

Can someone explain in plain English the rating abreviations from the attached chart?

My truck is on page one with 5.7 hemi and 3:92 gears

Std Cab - 6'4" Box 4x4 - ST / TRADESMAN / EXPRESS

2012 Ram towing chart

Last edited by Finoke; 05/11/17 02:05 PM.
Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: Finoke] #2302869
05/11/17 03:00 PM
05/11/17 03:00 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,292
Bend,OR USA
C
Cab_Burge Offline
I Win
Cab_Burge  Offline
I Win
C

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,292
Bend,OR USA
Your truck ratings are on the bottom line of the top chart, gross combine weight rating of 14,000 lbs. with the truck and trailer with the contents, pay load, in the trailer.
That is a light duty truck with a GVR of 6,200 lbs. , I would weigh it as you drive it and then decide on what weight and length trailer you want to tow twocents scope
I've own three different enclosed trailer, two 24 Ft. 10,000 GVR and one 22 ft. 7,000 lb. GVR. I bought the 22 ft. new and specified what I wanted in it, the salesman promise me it would weigh under 3,000 lbs. empty, he LIED runaway It weighed 4260 lbs. empty down
I towed that trailer and my current 24 Ft. Pace with a 1998 Ram 2500 short bed extended cab CTD, it had a combine towing capacity of 16,800 lbs. is what I remember. I spun it out on black ice on my first trip moving up here to Oregon,it bent up th edrivers side of the bed and hurt the towing hitch, NOT GOOD shock
I ended up buying a 2006 Ram 3500 four door 4 wheel drive long bed after we moved in here in Bend, Or due to the bad winters, it works great towing up boogie
I have weighed my current 24 Ft. Pace and it weighed around 8650 lbs. hook up to the truck with my old pump gas Street Duster which weighed 3450 lbs. with me in it so subtract 260 lbs. from that for the empty weight of the car, that trailer weight is with a medium size tool box , big 5500 watt Yamaha commercial generator, two floor jacks, one regular size and one small size, extra engine oil, tranny and rear end fluids, 8 to 10 spare tires and wheels for the car and trailer shruggy The trailer does add about 750 lbs. onto the trucks rear axle and lightens up the front axle around 450 lbs. shock work
Make sure and buy a trailer that has the 6000 lb. or larger rated axles and 16 inch wheels and tires, stay away from the smaller rated axles and 15 inch wheels and tires. tsk
I carry three spare trailer tires now mounted on the steel 6 lug wheels due to having blown two of them out on the road towing runaway puke
I'm thinking and hoping to buy a good 34 to 38 ft. gooseneck car trailer with living quarters and 7000 lbs. axles and 8 lug 16 inch wheels and tires next luck
IHTHs thumbs

Last edited by Cab_Burge; 05/11/17 03:03 PM.

Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: Finoke] #2302875
05/11/17 03:06 PM
05/11/17 03:06 PM
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 214
between the coasts
4
4mayhemi Offline
enthusiast
4mayhemi  Offline
enthusiast
4

Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 214
between the coasts
8900: Even though your Cuda is about 3400lbs, I like to calculate 4500lbs to cover any car I might want to trailer. So that leaves up to a 4400lb trailer. I think most 24' enclosed trailers, no frills, range from 2800-3600lbs empty.

6350: So with you plus some small tools in the RAM you're ok at 5300lbs Gross Vehicle Weight. 5400lbs with a burrito at lunch.

14,000: So a bare trailer, Cbody and extra parts will bring you close to 13,500lbs Gross Combined Vehicle Weight, that doesn't leave much room for a couple fat chick ride alongs.

Pulling close to max is no big deal once in awhile. If you do it regularly, it's not good for the RAM or your wallet. Have you considered an open trailer? They're usually under 2000lbs. And if the axle rating is high enough, you can trailer your buddy's F150 when the time comes. Also, versatility with landscaping materials. Security is an issue, so how far, how many nights will you be using it?

Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: Finoke] #2302884
05/11/17 03:31 PM
05/11/17 03:31 PM
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 608
TN
1DGEMAN Offline
mopar
1DGEMAN  Offline
mopar

Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 608
TN
No matter what size trailer you purchase open or enclosed the most important part is to get the biggest axles and tires and brakes you can. never get 15" tires and nothing less than 6 lug wheels preferable 8 lug wheels and 12 inch brakes.
On a trip from Vegas to Tn with my 97 club cab dually 12ft slide out camper fully loaded 28ft triple axle trailer, the power steering pump shaft broke. I lost the truck brakes and steering assist. Using basically the trailer brakes I drove from Texas to TN 1100 miles with just the trailer brakes. The trailer still performs flawlessly today.
The only issue I have ever had was the cheap OE tires that it came with. I run BFG lt235 85 R16 tires now never another problem.


Real Men shift for themselves
Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: Dixie] #2302891
05/11/17 04:01 PM
05/11/17 04:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 9,066
Eugene, Oregon
M
minivan Offline
master
minivan  Offline
master
M

Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 9,066
Eugene, Oregon
Originally Posted By Dixie
Buy a trailer with brakes on both axles.


Of all the trailers I have had this boat trailer was the only one that had brakes on all 4 wheels... It used to pull the tow vehicle to a stop when the brakes engaged..

I agree with the above post...

DSCF0225.JPG
Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: Finoke] #2302914
05/11/17 04:30 PM
05/11/17 04:30 PM
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 234
Greencastle, PA
MoparChuck Offline
enthusiast
MoparChuck  Offline
enthusiast

Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 234
Greencastle, PA
For a couple years I towed a 20' v-nose in the 6000-6500 pound range with an 06 Hemi Ram quad cab w/3.91 gears and had no issues. Weight shouldn't be an issue for you. My 20' trailer hauls my 14' 240Z race car with all my spare parts and tools.

Your cuda might fit in a 20' without too much trouble but a B-body would be difficult if it would even fit. That would put a lot of weight on the nose using a 20' trailer.

I suggest a 24' v-nose trailer with at least a left side access door and an Andersen weight distribution hitch. Keep your speed at 65 or below and it should be a nice ride.

Chuck

Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: 1DGEMAN] #2303021
05/11/17 09:02 PM
05/11/17 09:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 43,615
Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy
Rhinodart Offline
Rhinotruck
Rhinodart  Offline
Rhinotruck

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 43,615
Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy
Originally Posted By 1DGEMAN
No matter what size trailer you purchase open or enclosed the most important part is to get the biggest axles and tires and brakes you can. never get 15" tires and nothing less than 6 lug wheels preferable 8 lug wheels and 12 inch brakes.
On a trip from Vegas to Tn with my 97 club cab dually 12ft slide out camper fully loaded 28ft triple axle trailer, the power steering pump shaft broke. I lost the truck brakes and steering assist. Using basically the trailer brakes I drove from Texas to TN 1100 miles with just the trailer brakes. The trailer still performs flawlessly today.
The only issue I have ever had was the cheap OE tires that it came with. I run BFG lt235 85 R16 tires now never another problem.


LT tires are illegal on trailers in most states. tsk You guys who have been towing for years are freaking out the newbies, no need for 6K axles and 16" tires on an occasional tow trailer, and no need for a diesel either. I do recommend 5K axles with 15" wheels and E rated tires, for what the OP is doing that is MORE than enough. My 2004 32' LQ trailer that I had built has those axles and tires and has towed just fine for 13 years now. Yes I have blown a tire or two, but I tend to wear them out and not replace them every other year like some of you do. biggrin


The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.

JB Rhinehart, Realist

A-Body's RULE!
Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: Finoke] #2303127
05/11/17 11:51 PM
05/11/17 11:51 PM
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 13,202
aZLiViN
J
J_BODY Offline
I Live Here
J_BODY  Offline
I Live Here
J

Joined: May 2003
Posts: 13,202
aZLiViN


17,400 combined packed for 3 days at the track. 28ft Cargo mate 16" wheels on 5K axles. It's starting to let me know that 3.54 gears are not ideal smile ....but if I have to tow 9hrs to the track, I'm not doing it at 60mph.

car show guy.. I'd still favor the 24ft for the above stated reasons. you may find the extra room is beneficial. Even gives you the option to throw a mattress in front of the car for an overnighter if need be. The 15" tire deal will probably be ok for your needs too. I went 16 due to the load we're carrying, and with my old trailer I used every 15" tire under the sun (pun intended... live in the desert) and they all failed. Found that I simply had to replace them every 2 years no matter what they looked like. So far the 16's have lasted longer, and it gives me the option to go to an even larger rated F or G. Sold my 24ft trailer in a day for 5K a couple years ago. Good market for that size.

Re: Enclosed trailer question [Re: Rhinodart] #2303146
05/12/17 12:23 AM
05/12/17 12:23 AM
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 608
TN
1DGEMAN Offline
mopar
1DGEMAN  Offline
mopar

Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 608
TN
Every racer I know that has had 15" tires has had nothing but problems. They went to 16" and no more issues. I have traveled all over the country and hear the same story time and again. Minimum 6 bolt axles 16" tires and biggest brakes you can get. What is your cargo worth? Common sense.


Real Men shift for themselves
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1