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915 HEADS #230200
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I have a fresh set of 1967 915 casting heads that i am concidering putting on my RB Cuda. These heads are fresh with 2.14 int. 1.88 exh. valves. uncut in stock condition otherwise.
Many people have said that since the exhaust valve being cut to 1.88 that this will compromise the performance of these heads????
Can anyone help me with more info on the possible loss of performance?

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Re: 915 HEADS [Re: CUUDAK] #230201
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Thats a new one on me. 915's flow pretty decent for a stock head. The closed chamber should be good for an increase in compression, you should get some quench with them, and every body I've talked to has told me to go with the larger valves. Just my

Re: 915 HEADS [Re: CUUDAK] #230202
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There is a certain amount of porting that has to be done when you install larger valves , if you don't you will see no increase in performance .

What heads are currently on the engine ?

Also are you sure they are 1.88 ? I'm not sure there is enough room to get those 2 valves in that heads

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I have 915's w/the same valve sizes. Tried asking basically the same thing and got mixed answers (Unlawfuls). I got the motor together and broke it in on the stand. Seems to run just fine but I won't really know power wise 'till I get it in the car. Then it's off to the chassis dyno. I got a feeling It's gonna be a sweet motor and all for under $2600

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for what its worth, i put a set of 2.14/1.81 valves in a set of 516 heads. had it on a 440 with 11.5 to 1 TRW's, 292/.509 cam, 2" headers, dual quad tunnel ram w/2 600 eddy's and 4.56 spool in a 71 Charger. ran 12.17 all day long.

the heads had no work done to the ports at all.

Re: 915 HEADS [Re: dodge_nut] #230205
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I did alot of work on the 516 heads I had. they were a 2.14/1.81 combo as well. I had to unshroud the exhaust valve a fair amount. I believe tha chambers are actually quite similar on the 915's With 1.88 you will probably have to look at doing that as well. May have to blend that out a bit more. You probably run out of chamber space for breathing if that is not done. Just my

Re: 915 HEADS [Re: CUUDAK] #230206
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Since you have not run the heads on your setup before they were opened up you have no baseline to work from. there will be some gain but not near what could be had by either porting or a bowl hog cut with blending. The MP templates DO work very good(if carefully used) & they(the plastic sheet) would need to be cut .030 wider on each side & keep the same radius section when going to a .060 larger valve ie from 2.08 to a 2.14. I would do it if you could do it & not nick your fresh valve job & if not I would for sure unshroud the chambers on the front & rear sides of the valves.


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Re: 915 HEADS [Re: CUUDAK] #230207
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If it is going on a 440 it will not matter much as the bore is big enough to unshroud the valve. It is good practice to put the head on the block,mark them left and right and scratch the cylinder bore on the head,then notch and unshroud the valve. Make SURE your headgasket has a big enough bore to not overlap where they unshrouded the valve,I have seen 1.88 installs where some gaskets are to small,test fit yours before you install.

Re: 915 HEADS [Re: RapidRobert] #230208
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If you have larger valves installed and don't open up the pockets and bowls you just wasted your money. The stock pockets and bowls are too small for stock valves. 915 & 906 heads don't like 1.88 valves, they're too big for the ports and cause the flow to stall. They were used in max wedge heads because they had huge ports to compliment them. I've got ported 915 heads on our '72 Dart with 2.14/1.81 valves and it runs 10.38/ 130 mph, single four bbl.

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Re: 915 HEADS [Re: GODSCOUNTRY340] #230209
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If you have larger valves installed and don't open up the pockets and bowls you just wasted your money. The stock pockets and bowls are too small for stock valves. 915 & 906 heads don't like 1.88 valves, they're too big for the ports and cause the flow to stall. They were used in max wedge heads because they had huge ports to compliment them. I've got ported 915 heads on our '72 Dart with 2.14/1.81 valves and it runs 10.38/ 130 mph, single four bbl.




please stop clouding the issue with facts ....

Re: 915 HEADS [Re: JohnRR] #230210
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If you have larger valves installed and don't open up the pockets and bowls you just wasted your money. The stock pockets and bowls are too small for stock valves. 915 & 906 heads don't like 1.88 valves, they're too big for the ports and cause the flow to stall. They were used in max wedge heads because they had huge ports to compliment them. I've got ported 915 heads on our '72 Dart with 2.14/1.81 valves and it runs 10.38/ 130 mph, single four bbl.




please stop clouding the issue with facts ....




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Re: 915 HEADS [Re: JohnRR] #230211
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There is a certain amount of porting that has to be done when you install larger valves , if you don't you will see no increase in performance .

What heads are currently on the engine ?

Also are you sure they are 1.88 ? I'm not sure there is enough room to get those 2 valves in that heads




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A friend of mine had these heads done at HP PERFORMANCE here in Tomball, Tx. the tech that did the job told him that going with the larger exhaust valve would kill bottom end torque. I was a little skeptical so before i install them i wanted to ask first. I have stock 906 heads w/2.14 int & 1.81 exh valves and a Torker 2 w/850cfm Holley dp on a 1969 440-6 hp bottom end now. All original internals (6 pack forged crank & rods) except for the speedpro flat top pistons. Its no slouch by far but i am used to my high 8 second Falcon. It has been a while since i had a decent street car. The cam is an off the shelf Hyd Lunati and was told that lift was 604 int., this has not been confirmed. Definitely has a hefty lope and stops pulling around 6200 rpm. 4 speed w/ 3:91 sure-grip. I am looking for a solid 11:50 car that has good street manners. I did purchase a set of Snapon cutter bits to do a bowl blend and clean up the runners. Who has the Mopar templates?

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Re: 915 HEADS [Re: BELVEDERE67] #230212
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I did alot of work on the 516 heads I had. they were a 2.14/1.81 combo as well. I had to unshroud the exhaust valve a fair amount. I believe tha chambers are actually quite similar on the 915's With 1.88 you will probably have to look at doing that as well. May have to blend that out a bit more. You probably run out of chamber space for breathing if that is not done. Just my




My buddy wants $900 for these 915 heads. That is what he has in them including the price of the heads.. I have been thinking of buying the 440 source or the Procomp Aluminum heads due to the price. Would take a few pound off the front of my car but i haven't found enough info to make me believe that the aluminum heads are worth the same amount of cash versus the performance.


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Who has the Mopar templates?


P4120437 dealer just quoted me $17.55 + tax & I think I just saw one for sale somewhere in one of the parts for sale sections.


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Re: 915 HEADS [Re: CUUDAK] #230214
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There is a certain amount of porting that has to be done when you install larger valves , if you don't you will see no increase in performance .

What heads are currently on the engine ?

Also are you sure they are 1.88 ? I'm not sure there is enough room to get those 2 valves in that heads




Totally positive,
A friend of mine had these heads done at HP PERFORMANCE here in Tomball, Tx. the tech that did the job told him that going with the larger exhaust valve would kill bottom end torque. I was a little skeptical so before i install them i wanted to ask first. I have stock 906 heads w/2.14 int & 1.81 exh valves and a Torker 2 w/850cfm Holley dp on a 1969 440-6 hp bottom end now. All original internals (6 pack forged crank & rods) except for the speedpro flat top pistons. Its no slouch by far but i am used to my high 8 second Falcon. It has been a while since i had a decent street car. The cam is an off the shelf Hyd Lunati and was told that lift was 604 int., this has not been confirmed. Definitely has a hefty lope and stops pulling around 6200 rpm. 4 speed w/ 3:91 sure-grip. I am looking for a solid 11:50 car that has good street manners. I did purchase a set of Snapon cutter bits to do a bowl blend and clean up the runners. Who has the Mopar templates?




Other than a small bump in compression you probably won't see much of a gain with the 915's .

Same goes for the at least ONE other heads should you mention should you decide to run them OUT OF THE BOX from what little I have paid attention to.

The templates are for stock valve sizes , if you aren't really sure what you are doing trying to adapt them UP might make the heads flow WORSE than stock in the mid lifts , I have a pair of 906's that the local, well versed, machine shop I use did their COMPETITION VALVE JOB on , cost me 250 bucks , the heads flowed WORSE than untouched heads when they were done

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