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Cal Trac with super stock springs #2299548
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Can I use caltrac bars with my super stock spring?

Re: Cal Trac with super stock springs [Re: rtpete] #2299552
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Re: Cal Trac with super stock springs [Re: rtpete] #2299554
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You can do anything you want to up
Is it the best combination, probably not work shruggy
What does Calvert recommend for your car? scope twocents
I've never ran traction bars like Calverts, I have raced with Mopar SS springs and regular old 50/50 rear shocks with the front half clamped like the Mopar chassis bible recommends, that worked good up
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Re: Cal Trac with super stock springs [Re: Cab_Burge] #2299563
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They need to used with the mono leaf they are designed for if you want to get the most out of them. If you are running an E or B body with a longer front segment that systems works well. A bodies with a good SS spring suspension, front and rear sorted out, work just as well. My Duster stocker has gone 1.36 60' with SS springs.


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Re: Cal Trac with super stock springs [Re: sixpackbee] #2299700
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Originally Posted By sixpackbee
They need to used with the mono leaf they are designed for if you want to get the most out of them. If you are running an E or B body with a longer front segment that systems works well. A bodies with a good SS spring suspension, front and rear sorted out, work just as well. My Duster stocker has gone 1.36 60' with SS springs.


SS springs and Cal-tracs do NOT play well together! I tried it last Fall and it porpoised BADLY! I clamped the front and rear segments together as a stop gap solution and it calmed down but they really need split mono springs with the Cal-Trac bars.

I used the 3400 lbs. SS springs in my 3400 lbs. car and they worked well for about half a season. The made in Mexico springs tend to lose their arch, flatten out and wrap up on launch.

I need to get to the track with the whole setup but up to this point it's rained every weekend!

Re: Cal Trac with super stock springs [Re: GY3] #2299706
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I am by no means as savvy as a lot of you on here however I find the Caltracs quite easy to set up with both springs being equal. Biased springs would be a real hassle to tune them for IMHO.


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Re: Cal Trac with super stock springs [Re: rtpete] #2299717
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A stock leaf will wind up into an S shape with good grip and power. The S/S springs were made shorter and with a stiffer front segment to combat windup. The Caltrac bar's purpose is also to combat windup. I don't see any point or advantage to Caltracs with S/S springs. I you're thinking "some is good so more is better", you're wrong. If you have an issue with S/S springs then you should consider a complete Caltracs upgrade. The split monos will give a softer ride than the S/S springs but the windup will be controlled. Best of both worlds.

Re: Cal Trac with super stock springs [Re: rtpete] #2299725
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I went through the whole SS spring/Caltracs scenario, and then bought the Calvert Split Mono-leafs, and it then worked great. Also, installed the Calvert Spring sliders.

I bought the +1 inch over mono-leafs, and when I installed the spring sliders, it sat a factory ride height.

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Re: Cal Trac with super stock springs [Re: rtpete] #2299820
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Isn't the bar on the bottom there to prevent wind up? Spring is just to hold the car up, cal-tracs and SS springs would fight each other IMO. One or the other not together.

Re: Cal Trac with super stock springs [Re: rtpete] #2299827
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Isn't the bar on the bottom there to prevent wind up? Spring is just to hold the car up,


Exactly, and the front leaf acts like the top link in a 4-link or the top bar in a ladder bar.

Not to say the CalTrac wouldn't work with a S/S spring but the spring front segment is designed to have very little wrap-up. With the CalTrac system, its the wrap-up of the front segment that slaps the bar up and plants the tire. With the S/S springs you'd have to adjust the bar to have very little movement because there's no wrap-up and subsequently no "shock" - therefore virtually none of the affect they're designed for.

Re: Cal Trac with super stock springs [Re: rtpete] #2301170
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Race Craft makes a suspension aid. its called, assain Bars. I have read and heard they do work and are effective on Mopars with Super stock springs. they need some adjusting and such but what doesn't. they have a lot of holes for different adjustments. they guys I see run them are quick in 60 foots.

Just my two cents


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Originally Posted By Kiddart
Race Craft makes a suspension aid. its called, assain Bars. I have read and heard they do work and are effective on Mopars with Super stock springs. they need some adjusting and such but what doesn't. they have a lot of holes for different adjustments. they guys I see run them are quick in 60 foots.

Just my two cents


I was looking at the Assassin Bars.

I am using front spring hangers to lower my car. If I install Calvert's the bottom of the spring hanger will have to be trimmed to make clearance for the front bracket on Calvert bar.

With the Assassin's I don't think there will be any interference.

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Re: Cal Trac with super stock springs [Re: Saskabusa] #2301328
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You guys are not understanding that any of these bars..
they all add more lift to the chassis... any time
you ad more lift(separation) you need stronger
shocks to control the separation
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Re: Cal Trac with super stock springs [Re: rtpete] #2301335
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I tried the ss/ caltrac deal . Did every adjustment possible and the car would bounce like crazy off the line . It doesnt work.

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Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
You guys are not understanding that any of these bars..
they all add more lift to the chassis... any time
you ad more lift(separation) you need stronger
shocks to control the separation
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You are correct mike!!!!With both you would never get enough shock control


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Re: Cal Trac with super stock springs [Re: rtpete] #2301390
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I have been using the Cal trac with ss for a while but I have not got the tune correct for a number of reasons and use QA-1 shocks so you are not the only 1 to try it.I am stuck with it so I will keep at it.


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Re: Cal Trac with super stock springs [Re: rtpete] #2301399
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I understand the issue Mike. controlling separation is the key and good shocks help out a bunch with that.


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Re: Cal Trac with super stock springs [Re: rtpete] #2301451
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I am using front spring hangers to lower my car. If I install Calvert's the bottom of the spring hanger will have to be trimmed to make clearance for the front bracket on Calvert bar.


Should not be an issue, go to the CalTracs site and look at the front bracket and how it works.

What you do need to worry about is that the hanger is wide enough to take the Caltrac bracket!

Re: Cal Trac with super stock springs [Re: Clanton] #2301946
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Originally Posted By Clanton
I have been using the Cal trac with ss for a while but I have not got the tune correct for a number of reasons and use QA-1 shocks so you are not the only 1 to try it.I am stuck with it so I will keep at it.

I only knew of one person who got CalTracs to work the SS springs, and even he admitted it wasn't a great choice. I'm pretty sure he doesn't use those springs any longer, but I haven't seen his car up close in years.

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Originally Posted By Stanton
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I am using front spring hangers to lower my car. If I install Calvert's the bottom of the spring hanger will have to be trimmed to make clearance for the front bracket on Calvert bar.


Should not be an issue, go to the CalTracs site and look at the front bracket and how it works.

What you do need to worry about is that the hanger is wide enough to take the Caltrac bracket!


I installed a set on my brothers 68 Charger and ran into this issue.

He had bought AR engineering spring hangers from Mancinni.

When the spring eye was in the upper hole the calvert bracket hit the spring hanger. We used the factory bracket instead.


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