Re: Aluminum radiators
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I was just going to post a question about Northern radiators. I need a rad for my 74 Challenger. There is a sale on Northern aluminum rads up here right now. $275Cdn. 3-core i think, looks decent enough. Anyone?
I stand corrected... the Summit ones are Northern and not Champion.. thats what I have.. they are all welded.. no epoxy.. I like mine.. I have been on the road with it in 93* temps and running down the road at 75-80 mph and the temp stayed at 185* with a 170* stat and thats with a 518 trans that had a pretty high slippage rate (10%).. would I buy another... yep.. in a blink.. well worth the price EDIT I had to go through all my paper work to see where that radiator came from.. it was Northern Huh. Well... its about $100 over budget... but the car didn't come with a rad. Hmmm... Weight reduction is a big theme in my shop. God dammit... just when i finally got that credit card paid off...
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Re: Aluminum radiators
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I have a Griffin in my cuda that works awesome. It is a direct bolt in just like factory. It has 2 rows of 1.25" tubes...they wanted me to use one w/ 2 rows of 1.5" tubes, but it wouldn't fit w/ my fan and water pump setup. It wasn't cheap (about $750 if I recall correctly), but it works great and I'm happy w/ it. I was more concerned w/ cooling capacity than weight reduction.
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Re: Aluminum radiators
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But what makes the Griffin worth $500 more than a Northern or Champion?? I couldn't tell you, lol. I don't have any experience w/ the other 2 you mentioned. If I had to do it over, I'd try the cheaper radiator first.
CHIP '69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60 '70 'cuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60 '71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn '73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75....................FOR SALE '90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt '06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax '17 Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi
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Re: Aluminum radiators
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Here are some pictures of a Griffin radiator that a friend of mine had in his '57 chevy. This was the 3rd radiator from them. Each one did the same thing. The car now has a Northern radiator with the tanks modded by me to work in his car. These Griffins were $1100 each. They come polished with an A/C condenser. The brown is from "bars leaks" that he needed to put in to drive home from a show in Minnesota.
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Re: Aluminum radiators
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Itis! you opened a can of information worms here with this aluminum rad thing. Sounds like you have a huge menu to think through and it is COOL that some heads of state on here have/are already trying these various rads in real world street conditions. I'd be confused. Does a blown motor create more inner heat than a conventional motor? I have an AFCO unit in mine for years and it seems to be on the edge of efficiency for my ride at least, so double check your options. IIRC the Afco brand is what the boys and girls use in stock car racing. Lots of heat, but also lots of wind speed if you're not tailing. If you're tailing in that scene, then that rad has to be a good unit. As a side note, I also made sure to design and make a tight lip air ram system in front of the car utilizing aluminum sheet to create walls where all the incoming air can not go anywhere but through the core of the radiator. You have time, so take your time and research.
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Re: Aluminum radiators
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I just spoke with Scott@championcooling.com on the phone.I'm on data overload The meow might be a cross flow GM style Need to speak with another vendor or 2 about other brands as well. I will have some more room now that the engine is set back.Might just wait till the engine is back in before pulling the trigger.
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Re: Aluminum radiators
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Here are some pictures of a Griffin radiator that a friend of mine had in his '57 chevy. This was the 3rd radiator from them. Each one did the same thing. The car now has a Northern radiator with the tanks modded by me to work in his car. These Griffins were $1100 each. They come polished with an A/C condenser. The brown is from "bars leaks" that he needed to put in to drive home from a show in Minnesota. I had a Griffin on my T/A. It gets hot here in Socal...100+ many summer days. Never had any issues and I had it in the car for 8 years before I sold it to a guy in New Zealand. I also used waterless coolant. No need for sacrificial anodes.
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Re: Aluminum radiators
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Here are some pictures of a Griffin radiator that a friend of mine had in his '57 chevy. This was the 3rd radiator from them. Each one did the same thing. The car now has a Northern radiator with the tanks modded by me to work in his car. These Griffins were $1100 each. They come polished with an A/C condenser. The brown is from "bars leaks" that he needed to put in to drive home from a show in Minnesota. I had a Griffin on my T/A. It gets hot here in Socal...100+ many summer days. Never had any issues and I had it in the car for 8 years before I sold it to a guy in New Zealand. I also used waterless coolant. No need for sacrificial anodes. I may sound inept, but what is waterless coolant? Yeah, it can exceed 100 degrees here too... But you don't see -30 degree temps there. The problem usually shows up as a weep after winter storage, and turns into a gusher by summer. Like I said, no radiator shop around here will touch an epoxied core, and a new version of the same crappy radiator is 1100 dollars. I guess certain areas of the country are acceptable for use with these things. The Northern radiator has been in the car for 2 years now with no failures as of yet. It cost just under 200 bux. It was a do it yourself kit as far as tank inlet/outlet and mounts etc... I'm fortunate enough to do the mods here, so if you can't do it yourself, it will cost more. I have the same Northern radiator in my 1st gen diesel going on 7 years now, but it is corroding internally. My fault for the rubber isolation and no grounding. Perhaps the coolant you suggest would help me? I'm sure the radiator isn't long for this world after looking inside of it. Even the cap sealing area is pitted. Is this coolant rated for cold temps?
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Re: Aluminum radiators
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I went with a copper brass 4 row triple pass from US radiators for my 572 hemi, they actually have a higher emissivity than aluminum. $895 special order through classic industries.
Now to get the car finished so I can try it out.
I put in a Champion in my stroker jeep, runs fine at low speeds, but hates the highway above 60mph and 105 outside air temps...may go back to copper brass on it too
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Re: Aluminum radiators
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04/25/17 01:14 PM
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Several of you posted pics of what appears to be e replication of the stock rad just made in aluminum.It's now my belief that the 1 inch tube is better than the stock 5/8th tube.2 row works as my 4 row copper/brass. They said they have a 3 pass that will put the hose positions in my desired locations for about $350.
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Re: Aluminum radiators
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On order to have a crossflow,they said to use the triple pass in order to have the top on the passenger side and the bottom on the drivers side.The 2 row 1 inch will supposedly out cool my copper/brass 4 row with high efficiency core. They are in the $200 zone.I must fabricate mounts to hold the rad in each corner.
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