Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Alternator feed to battery, interference? #2286352
04/12/17 12:19 PM
04/12/17 12:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 13,404
Marion, South Carolina [><]
an8sec70cuda Offline OP
I Live Here
an8sec70cuda  Offline OP
I Live Here

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 13,404
Marion, South Carolina [><]
I'm currently doing some rewiring on my car and have been simplifying a lot of things. I have a one wire alternator w/ the wire run underneath the car all the way back to the battery in the trunk and it works great. I'd like to shorten that wire by attaching it to a junction block (pictured below) I have mounted on the firewall where the main 1/0 wire from the battery attaches to the starter wire. Also have a wire feeding all of my electrical components (ignition, nitrous, etc.) taken from this junction block.

My question is will there be any interference issue w/ these somewhat sensitive components if I let the alternator feed back to the battery at this point? Or does that long run back to the battery and then the battery wire run all the way back to the front of the car eliminate any possible interference?
It's all attached to the battery positive, just a matter of where it connects.

Could I even connect it to the starter relay where it gets battery power on the big stud? That would make an even shorter run.

Excuse me if this is a stupid question, I'm learning as I go w/ a lot of this wiring stuff, lol.

wire stud.jpg

CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Alternator feed to battery, interference? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2286361
04/12/17 12:32 PM
04/12/17 12:32 PM
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 11,686
W. Kentucky
justinp61 Offline
I Live Here
justinp61  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 11,686
W. Kentucky
Chip the wire from my alternator is hooked to the same stud on my battery (up front) as my Digital 6 and I've noticed no issues with it to 7200.

Re: Alternator feed to battery, interference? [Re: justinp61] #2286370
04/12/17 12:53 PM
04/12/17 12:53 PM
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 632
MD-USA
D
Dodgeguy101 Offline
mopar
Dodgeguy101  Offline
mopar
D

Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 632
MD-USA
If you do that, will it not still make the wire hot and let the engine run, even if you turn the battery disconnect switch off in the back of the car?

I don't know the answer, but just throwing it out there.

Re: Alternator feed to battery, interference? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2286374
04/12/17 12:57 PM
04/12/17 12:57 PM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY Offline
Master
MR_P_BODY  Offline
Master

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
I'm wired the same way as your talking.. both
on the race car and the Rampage.. it works
fine so far.. I'm putting on full fuel injection
now so I will see how it is with that type of
electronics
wave

Re: Alternator feed to battery, interference? [Re: Dodgeguy101] #2286384
04/12/17 01:11 PM
04/12/17 01:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 13,404
Marion, South Carolina [><]
an8sec70cuda Offline OP
I Live Here
an8sec70cuda  Offline OP
I Live Here

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 13,404
Marion, South Carolina [><]
Originally Posted By Dodgeguy101
If you do that, will it not still make the wire hot and let the engine run, even if you turn the battery disconnect switch off in the back of the car?

I don't know the answer, but just throwing it out there.

Yep, you're right. Didn't even think of that!

Thanks yall, but it looks like I'll have to leave it the way it is.


CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Alternator feed to battery, interference? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2286394
04/12/17 01:28 PM
04/12/17 01:28 PM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY Offline
Master
MR_P_BODY  Offline
Master

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
On mine I come from the alt to the master then
out of the master to the battery then forward
to the hot post..
wave

Re: Alternator feed to battery, interference? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2286414
04/12/17 01:58 PM
04/12/17 01:58 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,315
Bend,OR USA
C
Cab_Burge Offline
I Win
Cab_Burge  Offline
I Win
C

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,315
Bend,OR USA
The battery, all batteries , will act as a noise filter on AC current from the alternator work shruggy
EFI systems with super ignition system can have issues shruggy


Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
Re: Alternator feed to battery, interference? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2286446
04/12/17 03:02 PM
04/12/17 03:02 PM
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 11,739
Fulton County, PA
C
CMcAllister Offline
Mr. Helpful
CMcAllister  Offline
Mr. Helpful
C

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 11,739
Fulton County, PA
Connecting the alternator feed to the same stud as everything else in the car will eliminate the function of the master switch. The alternator will keep everything running until the engine shuts off. Battery and alternator feed on one side of the master, everything else on the other. That's the simple and effective way to do it. Because of the long run, use a larger gage of wire for the alternator, minimum of 8ga. Also, because the alternator line is now hot all the time, take time too ensure that wire is well insulated and protected to keep it form being shorted to ground.


If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
Re: Alternator feed to battery, interference? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2286451
04/12/17 03:12 PM
04/12/17 03:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 8,037
Tulsa OK
Bad340fish Online content
master
Bad340fish  Online Content
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 8,037
Tulsa OK
I have mine wired up like you are wanting to do. I do use a continuous duty solenoid to interrupt the alternator feed though. It does take some extra wiring to make the solenoid work right with the key and everything but the charging system is something I don't ever worry about anymore.


68 Barracuda Formula S 340
Re: Alternator feed to battery, interference? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2286455
04/12/17 03:19 PM
04/12/17 03:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 13,404
Marion, South Carolina [><]
an8sec70cuda Offline OP
I Live Here
an8sec70cuda  Offline OP
I Live Here

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 13,404
Marion, South Carolina [><]
It's been this way for 11 years w/ no issues...big wire run back to the battery from the alternator.

I started off rewiring my nitrous system to add a progressive and it kinda snowballed. I've gotten rid of a bunch of old crap wiring, simplified a bunch of stuff, and throughout this whole deal I've been trying to take some weight off this sled of a car so I can hopefully run a lil faster.

I wish I wasn't so attached to this particular car, but I am, so I'll just have to do what I can w/ it. Otherwise I'd sell it rolling, buy the '68 fastback cuda I've had my eye on, and actually have a car that's light.
But I've had this car for so long and done so much w/ it, I'll never part with it.


CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Alternator feed to battery, interference? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2286587
04/12/17 08:27 PM
04/12/17 08:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 8,037
Tulsa OK
Bad340fish Online content
master
Bad340fish  Online Content
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 8,037
Tulsa OK
If this makes you feel better my 68 Fastback weighs 3600lbs with my 240lb rear in it and an all Iron(r1 block) small block. lol


68 Barracuda Formula S 340
Re: Alternator feed to battery, interference? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2286923
04/13/17 10:23 AM
04/13/17 10:23 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 13,404
Marion, South Carolina [><]
an8sec70cuda Offline OP
I Live Here
an8sec70cuda  Offline OP
I Live Here

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 13,404
Marion, South Carolina [><]
LOL, ok, that does make me feel a lil better! I've lost almost 10 lbs myself...down to a svelte 325 lbs now, lol. I need to get Ray (sixpackgut) to drive this thing.
I'm seriously thinking about removing the windshield wiper system since I never drive it in the rain anymore. It desperately needs to lose weight, but I refuse to gut the interior of the seats, door panels, etc.
I've even been shortening bolts that hold various things on, lol.

Everyone thinks the all aluminum hemi saved me a bunch of weight, but it didn't at all. It weighs the same as the iron block/aluminum headed 440 it replaced.


CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Alternator feed to battery, interference? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2287134
04/13/17 04:54 PM
04/13/17 04:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,813
Blue Ridge, VA
Plumb Wired Offline
master
Plumb Wired  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,813
Blue Ridge, VA
This is the style master disconnect I use when wiring cars with alternators.

https://www.waytekwire.com/item/44031/Pollak-51-904-Master-Disconnect-Switch/


RIP Monte Smith

aka: OutlawFish
'98 Bickel Dodge Dakota PST
Re: Alternator feed to battery, interference? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2287216
04/13/17 07:39 PM
04/13/17 07:39 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 8,037
Tulsa OK
Bad340fish Online content
master
Bad340fish  Online Content
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 8,037
Tulsa OK
I use that same switch but I use the small poles to kill the solenoid on the alternator output.


68 Barracuda Formula S 340
Re: Alternator feed to battery, interference? [Re: Bad340fish] #2288229
04/15/17 02:32 PM
04/15/17 02:32 PM
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,454
Glendora Ca.
J
Just-a-dart Offline
pro stock
Just-a-dart  Offline
pro stock
J

Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,454
Glendora Ca.
I like using the 2 pole switch(4 post) also, but route the ignition control (MSD small red wire not the big lead) through the aux pole of the switch.

Then the alternator can be connected forward in the car for less cable length and voltage drop, and no need for heavy relays.

Also when wired this way every thing in the car is dead forward of the bettery disconnect when the switch is thrown. Lots of ways to get the job done.

Last edited by Just-a-dart; 04/15/17 02:34 PM.


"Just a Bracket car dressed up like a streetcar"
Re: Alternator feed to battery, interference? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2288252
04/15/17 03:02 PM
04/15/17 03:02 PM
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,399
Aurora, Colorado
451Mopar Offline
master
451Mopar  Offline
master

Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,399
Aurora, Colorado
It should work fine as long as you have good connections and crimps. You can always add a capacitor/filter if you are worried about noise.
Usually, it is the ground paths/connections that cause problems with electronic controls because the sensors are using the ground as a reference point. The input voltage to the electronics is normally filtered and regulated to a lower voltage, like 5-volts.

Re: Alternator feed to battery, interference? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2288489
04/15/17 11:06 PM
04/15/17 11:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 4,243
Charlotte, North Carolina
sgcuda Offline
master
sgcuda  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 4,243
Charlotte, North Carolina
Chip, if you have a dedicated cable to the starter, you can run your alternator wire to the starter cable stud, also. Leave your ignition system and fuel system wired as is, because they need to power up through the kill switch.

Last edited by sgcuda; 04/15/17 11:07 PM.

[image][/image]
Re: Alternator feed to battery, interference? [Re: Bad340fish] #2290150
04/18/17 06:11 PM
04/18/17 06:11 PM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,942
Metro Detroit
OUTLAWD Offline
top fuel
OUTLAWD  Offline
top fuel

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,942
Metro Detroit
Originally Posted By Bad340fish
I have mine wired up like you are wanting to do. I do use a continuous duty solenoid to interrupt the alternator feed though. It does take some extra wiring to make the solenoid work right with the key and everything but the charging system is something I don't ever worry about anymore.


I did the same thing, ran a 4ga copper clad aluminum wire to the back with a continuous duty RV type solenoid.


Faster, Faster until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death...

71 Swinger - slowly collecting dust/parts
66 Belv. II - just a streetcar
88 Mustang - turbo LS beater
Re: Alternator feed to battery, interference? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2290645
04/19/17 05:56 PM
04/19/17 05:56 PM
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,581
N/E, Michigan
RATTRAP Offline
pro stock
RATTRAP  Offline
pro stock

Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,581
N/E, Michigan
http://www.madelectrical.com/ IMO check out the electrical tech
there is great info there.

Last edited by RATTRAP; 04/19/17 06:00 PM.






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1