Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade.
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Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade.
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He was asking how much it is, and that $3,800 price tag is the base model and you xan plus or minus here or there, but I'll wait to see some real world testing and beating on first before I commit, there's a lot more I can do with the car for that kind of $$$$$, bit it looks like a really nice and simple set up for a weekend project
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Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade.
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The "don't crush the frame rails by over tightening" warning is a design shortcoming, IMO. It at first glance it does not appear to be undersized on member/webes thickness, How that effects over weight gain or loss, I have no idea.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade.
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If it was made out of balsa wood and paper mache it would be still better than the factory FJM front suspension.
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Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade.
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This is one case where I can see the value of an aftermarket front suspension. The problem is, how many people build these cars? Here in CA and possibly in other states, Every F/M/J car is a 1976 and newer, requiring it to be smog tested with all original type engine and components. Theres not a lot to get excited about with a 150 HP 318 in a 3600 lb car. I won't comment on the suspension system, but a nice Aspen R/T or Volare Road Runner would be a great candidate for a late model drive train...
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Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade.
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The "don't crush the frame rails by over tightening" warning is a design shortcoming, IMO. for an extra couple of minutes, and an extra few cents, slugs with through holes could have been included that would allow one to tighten those bolts as they should be tightened. there also appears to be ample room to drill one hole oversize and insert those slugs into the rails from either side. that would make a sizeable improvement in structural strength in my opinion, since this is a "bolt on" setup compared to a "weld in" deal. , so obvious, not sure why it was not addressed by the designer.
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Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade.
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I still haven't seen quantitative results on any of these kits that show the benefits. The benefits are always sold as "better", "chromoly", "coilovers"...yea yea. Performance results? Kinematic improvement references [bump steer, camber curve, rollcenter migration, roll center changes, etc.]? How about manufacturing, what do the welding fixtures for these look like? How is the quality and accuracy checked before it is sent out?....Nada, they're sold on the premise that they are expensive and use coilovers so that must be better.. Hence why I just put Hotchkis parts on my car and am moving forward.
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Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade.
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I'm with Goody
As for California emissions, last time I looked there was wiggle room there. Key is "engine replacement" vs "engine swap".
An engine swap would be putting a family of engine in it that was never an option. Like a 440 or any variation of Hemi.
Engine replacement would be putting an LA in where and LA was, like a 360 to replace a 318. As long as the 360 still sports all the original 318's emissions gear it is legal and no special requirements exist.
If you put a 440 in then you have to use a pass car 440 of same or newer year manufacture with all the 440's original emissions equipment then you need a BAR referee to verify and approve the swap.
A Diplomat with a 360 is fun, BTDT.
As for handling, every one bangs on the transverse torsion bar setup. I never had an issue with it's handling under performing for me. Anyone here actually have a personal example of this?
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Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade.
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Here in CA and possibly in other states, Every F/M/J car is a 1976 and newer, requiring it to be smog tested with all original type engine and components. Fortunately, not everywhere is CA and these cars are going up in popularity, and unfortunately, price, as other locales allowing mods mean these are more reasonably priced entry points into the mopar world. It used to be solid driver F body used to be available for $2-3k. They are now $6-10 depending on version and some Kit Cars and Super Coupes are over $15k. I still haven't seen quantitative results on any of these kits that show the benefits. The benefits are always sold as "better", "chromoly", "coilovers"...yea yea.
Performance results? Kinematic improvement references [bump steer, camber curve, rollcenter migration, roll center changes, etc.]? How about manufacturing, what do the welding fixtures for these look like? How is the quality and accuracy checked before it is sent out?....Nada, they're sold on the premise that they are expensive and use coilovers so that must be better..
You forgot new, which also means its better. A large percentage of buyers aren't going to ask for the data. They take it at face value as there are still a high percentage of people out there that don't question technical terminology.
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Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade.
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Can't really see them selling more than a few of these front end kits, the front end would be more money than the average FJM car is worth. It's still nice of them to build these as those cars get no support from the aftermarket.
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Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade.
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And it's an ultra basic design that I think could easily be replicated, I just understand why it's not welded in when they warn you it may crush the frame rail
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Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade.
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I'm with Goody
As for California emissions, last time I looked there was wiggle room there. Key is "engine replacement" vs "engine swap".
An engine swap would be putting a family of engine in it that was never an option. Like a 440 or any variation of Hemi.
Engine replacement would be putting an LA in where and LA was, like a 360 to replace a 318. As long as the 360 still sports all the original 318's emissions gear it is legal and no special requirements exist.
If you put a 440 in then you have to use a pass car 440 of same or newer year manufacture with all the 440's original emissions equipment then you need a BAR referee to verify and approve the swap.
A Diplomat with a 360 is fun, BTDT.
As for handling, every one bangs on the transverse torsion bar setup. I never had an issue with it's handling under performing for me. Anyone here actually have a personal example of this? Not even close. The rules are that the engine MUST be the same year (any size, even one that was not available or even from the same manufacturer) to retain the emissions as the car or engine was originally equipped. No engine that is older than the vehicle is legal. Any engine that is newer than the vehicle must retain the emissions from the year of the engine. People have been burned with generic replacement engines, but most smog mechanics in the past didn't worry about the year of the block as long as it "looked" stock for the way the car left the factory.
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