383 Distributor Confusion
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Sometimes I feel like I am going 1 step forward and 2 steps back. Tried to put in what I thought was the correct distributor for my 383, that I bought a long time (15 years) ago, based on the number on the housing. Should be 2875358. But when I put in the motor it wont go in all the way. Oil pump shaft is seated down, btw. Searched and found this previous link: https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1904196/re-distributor-shaft-lengths.htmlWhen they say "Measured from mounting surface to end of distributor shaft." this means the flange/base that seats in the block top surface? Thats what I thought. I dug out an old 440 RB distributor I had laying around and sure looks the same to me. So I guess I have a rebuilt that someone put a 440 shaft in? Well that sucks. Guess I got to find a 383 donor and swap.
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Re: 383 Distributor Confusion
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I'm no part number guru, but I've been down the same road as you and you've almost for sure got a 413/426 wedge/440 distributor. Those are about 1" longer than the 361/383/400 distributors and look otherwise identical.
You have another option though. Years ago I switched to electronic ignition and I had a 383 in the car at the time. I knew I was going to drop a 440 in it (motor 1/2 built). I found a Direct Connection adapter to make the 440 distributor work in my 383. It was an aluminum spacer about 1" thick that fit directly under the distributor and above the block. It also came with a longer distributor hold-down. It fit/worked like a charm. I probably still have it somewhere.
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Re: 383 Distributor Confusion
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I'm no part number guru, but I've been down the same road as you and you've almost for sure got a 413/426 wedge/440 distributor. Those are about 1" longer than the 361/383/400 distributors and look otherwise identical. You have another option though. Years ago I switched to electronic ignition and I had a 383 in the car at the time. I knew I was going to drop a 440 in it (motor 1/2 built). I found a Direct Connection adapter to make the 440 distributor work in my 383. It was an aluminum spacer about 1" thick that fit directly under the distributor and above the block. It also came with a longer distributor hold-down. It fit/worked like a charm. I probably still have it somewhere. Hey, I found it at Mancini for $65 http://www.manciniracing.com/rbtobbldiad.html
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Re: 383 Distributor Confusion
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And to add to my confusion. For the 1968 parts book, the distributor should be 2875358, which I believe is a single point Chrysler unit (not Prestolite). For 2875358, the correct vacuum control should be 2875096. Attached is a FSM photo of Chrysler and Presolite parts breakout. My 2875358 looks like the one on the left (Chrysler) but 2875096 vacuum control looks like the one on the right (Prestolite).
So is the FSM wrong or parts book wrong?
The Chrysler vacuum advance is as shown with the tang to fit the slot on the cap and a pressed pin on the arm for the breaker plate,the Prestolite has no tang for the cap and a hole in the end of arm for the pin located on the breaker plate.The design of the advance changed in 1970 but the configuration is the same.
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Re: 383 Distributor Confusion
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This annoyance doesnt stop. So I was able to find an NOS shaft about as close as possible to mine. This is for the 383 manual trans A-body distributor versus my auto. Short of an exact match, probably as good as it gets. I am smiling. I get the box today and open it up, NOS box, sealed tight with original staples, never opened, wrapped in wax paper, feeling good. Size up the shaft and it is perfect length. Then I look and dont see the hole for the roll pin. NOS shafts dont come with this hole?? Yes, I can drill it, but man, this is not getting any easier. Drilling on a round hardened shaft is gonna be tough. I have a drill press, but need to come up with a way to ensure this thing does not move. I guess clamping it on some wood could work.
Interesting note. The 383 shaft has a different arrangement of the advance weight holes then I recall seeing. They are on an angle, unlike the 440 shaft I have and other distributors have. Weights also dont throw out as much before the springs kick in.
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Re: 383 Distributor Confusion
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This annoyance doesnt stop. So I was able to find an NOS shaft about as close as possible to mine. This is for the 383 manual trans A-body distributor versus my auto. Short of an exact match, probably as good as it gets. I am smiling. I get the box today and open it up, NOS box, sealed tight with original staples, never opened, wrapped in wax paper, feeling good. Size up the shaft and it is perfect length. Then I look and dont see the hole for the roll pin. NOS shafts dont come with this hole?? Yes, I can drill it, but man, this is not getting any easier. Drilling on a round hardened shaft is gonna be tough. I have a drill press, but need to come up with a way to ensure this thing does not move. I guess clamping it on some wood could work.
Interesting note. The 383 shaft has a different arrangement of the advance weight holes then I recall seeing. They are on an angle, unlike the 440 shaft I have and other distributors have. Weights also dont throw out as much before the springs kick in. Good luck with that , 69 383 manual trans A body used a PRESTOLITE distributor, that is why you see a difference. Also note the numbers on the points caam, the one on the left has 24 degrees mechanical advance, the right has 31 ... multiply the stamped number by 2. I have a bunch distrbutor parts, I might have that shaft NOS ???
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Re: 383 Distributor Confusion
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If you have a machinist's vise drilling that hole is not a problem. It's been a while since I did one but I can't recall having a problem drilling. The problem is putting the nylon retainer on and drilling it AND the shaft in one pass so the holes all line up. As I recall the procedure is in the FSM.
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Re: 383 Distributor Confusion
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This annoyance doesnt stop. So I was able to find an NOS shaft about as close as possible to mine. This is for the 383 manual trans A-body distributor versus my auto. Short of an exact match, probably as good as it gets. I am smiling. I get the box today and open it up, NOS box, sealed tight with original staples, never opened, wrapped in wax paper, feeling good. Size up the shaft and it is perfect length. Then I look and dont see the hole for the roll pin. NOS shafts dont come with this hole?? Yes, I can drill it, but man, this is not getting any easier. Drilling on a round hardened shaft is gonna be tough. I have a drill press, but need to come up with a way to ensure this thing does not move. I guess clamping it on some wood could work.
Interesting note. The 383 shaft has a different arrangement of the advance weight holes then I recall seeing. They are on an angle, unlike the 440 shaft I have and other distributors have. Weights also dont throw out as much before the springs kick in. Good luck with that , 383 manual trans A body used a PRESTOLITE distributor, that is why you see a difference. Also not the numbers , the one on the left has 24 degrees mechanical advance , the right has 31 ... multiply the stamped number by 2. I have a bunch distrbutor parts, I might have that shaft NOS ??? If you can find a NOS shaft 2875 175 in your stash, this may help me understand what is going on and keep my mental state solid. The 68 FSM (attached) says both the manual and auto are Chrysler built. Also, take a look at the advance spec stated for at the distributor (which would be the number on the shaft?), the 15.5 for mine would be below the upper spec for 2500 RPM. The 68 parts book show the same part numbers for both manual and auto distributors for the cap, rotor, points. Just the shaft and weight sets are different. Prestolite would be a dual point and different internals, I would think. Are the FSM and Parts book wrong?
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Re: 383 Distributor Confusion
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So now I'm confused. You say your correct distributor number is 2875358. You have one with that PN stamped on it. The correct vacuum advance as per the parts book is 2875096. You have one with that PN stamped on it but it doesn't look like the illustration in the parts book. Does that about sum it up?
If so, I would assemble the distributor and use it. The stamped part numbers all agree with the parts book numerical listing and there is no reason I can see not to believe them. The illustrations in the parts books in the past with other components have been inaccurate, this may just be another case of that.
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Re: 383 Distributor Confusion
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6PakBee- The problem is that the shaft in the one he has is too long. So he's trying to find the correct shaft or a correct example to compare with.
NJmopar - Did you notice the FSM part number and the Parts Book stamped numbers don't match? 2875xxx vs. 2857xxx Since all the part book numbers indicated distributors are stamped 2875 xxx, I would guess that is correct. Yes - I checked '69 Dodge FSM and its 2875. I'm going to guess the vac advance you have is correct if it fits even though it is the design shown with the prestolite.
The weights are the same, p/n 1881 955 I think the only difference between auto and manual versions will be the governers (cam & stop plate in parts diagram) in the package with the shaft assy. Cam and stop plate: auto 2642 848, manual 2875 380. the springs package: auto gets 3004 169, manual 2932 707.
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6PakBee- The problem is that the shaft in the one he has is too long. So he's trying to find the correct shaft or a correct example to compare with.
NJmopar - Did you notice the FSM part number and the Parts Book stamped numbers don't match? 2875xxx vs. 2857xxx Since all the part book numbers indicated distributors are stamped 2875 xxx, I would guess that is correct. Yes - I checked '69 Dodge FSM and its 2875. I'm going to guess the vac advance you have is correct if it fits even though it is the design shown with the prestolite.
The weights are the same, p/n 1881 955 I think the only difference between auto and manual versions will be the governers (cam & stop plate in parts diagram) in the package with the shaft assy. Cam and stop plate: auto 2642 848, manual 2875 380. the springs package: auto gets 3004 169, manual 2932 707.
Funny, in all the times I looked at the pages never noticed the transposed numbers. I guess the FSM editor didn't either. I will be away for a little while so if anyone has a NOS dist or shaft please take a look at the weight slots, as I am really curious on why these are slanted. Like to know before I pin the NOS one and find out I am wrong. And I found more proof the dist I thought was NOS was rebuilt with the wrong shaft. I just noticed the oil hole for the top bushing oiler isn't there. I guess they used newer bushings with no holes.
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Re: 383 Distributor Confusion
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This annoyance doesnt stop. So I was able to find an NOS shaft about as close as possible to mine. This is for the 383 manual trans A-body distributor versus my auto. Short of an exact match, probably as good as it gets. I am smiling. I get the box today and open it up, NOS box, sealed tight with original staples, never opened, wrapped in wax paper, feeling good. Size up the shaft and it is perfect length. Then I look and dont see the hole for the roll pin. NOS shafts dont come with this hole?? Yes, I can drill it, but man, this is not getting any easier. Drilling on a round hardened shaft is gonna be tough. I have a drill press, but need to come up with a way to ensure this thing does not move. I guess clamping it on some wood could work.
Interesting note. The 383 shaft has a different arrangement of the advance weight holes then I recall seeing. They are on an angle, unlike the 440 shaft I have and other distributors have. Weights also dont throw out as much before the springs kick in. Good luck with that , 383 manual trans A body used a PRESTOLITE distributor, that is why you see a difference. Also not the numbers , the one on the left has 24 degrees mechanical advance , the right has 31 ... multiply the stamped number by 2. I have a bunch distrbutor parts, I might have that shaft NOS ??? If you can find a NOS shaft 2875 175 in your stash, this may help me understand what is going on and keep my mental state solid. The 68 FSM (attached) says both the manual and auto are Chrysler built. Also, take a look at the advance spec stated for at the distributor (which would be the number on the shaft?), the 15.5 for mine would be below the upper spec for 2500 RPM. The 68 parts book show the same part numbers for both manual and auto distributors for the cap, rotor, points. Just the shaft and weight sets are different. Prestolite would be a dual point and different internals, I would think. Are the FSM and Parts book wrong? I made a mistake, the picture you put up made the 383 one you have look like a Prestolite and for some reason I thought you were talking about a 69 A body 383 which has a Presolite , the 68 does not. One thing you are fixated on here, and causing you some anxiety, is the ILLUSTRATION in the parts MANUAL, it's an ILLUSTRATION, not an actual representation of the production line parts for all models. The vac can you have has the correct part number and it is for the Chrysler distributor. The vac can in the ILLUSTRATION is more prevalent in 69 and later. Are you building this car to 1000000% factory stock and what are you actually working on, I missed that part ?
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Re: 383 Distributor Confusion
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6PakBee- The problem is that the shaft in the one he has is too long. So he's trying to find the correct shaft or a correct example to compare with...... I realized that. What I don't understand is all the angst about a gazillion component PN's. Get a shaft out of a B series Chrysler distributor, see what the appropriate weights and springs are and be done with it.
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Re: 383 Distributor Confusion
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I am working on 68 383 GTS convertible. Trying to get as close to original as possible, within reason. For example the dist I have is correct part number on housing but dated 69. I can live with that....... I don't know what the '69' signifies but the "2 8" following the part number is the date code. This would be the second week of 1968 which would be correct for a '68 application.
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