Re: Weld in fuel tank sump?
[Re: Porter67]
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02/06/17 01:18 PM
02/06/17 01:18 PM
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Sumps are not the best way to go anymore. Sumps are old school since Holley came out with Hydramat. https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/hydramat/I used a fuel cell style Filler Plate with nut ring after I cut a hole to access the inner workings of my tank. These guys have nice kits in a variety of sizes. http://www.harmonracingcells.com/filler-plates.html
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(Stock drivetrain in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's & EFI. 1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible Paxton Boosted 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 3.91's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: Weld in fuel tank sump?
[Re: Porter67]
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02/07/17 01:20 AM
02/07/17 01:20 AM
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I paid around $150 Canadian dollars ($100usd). Really nice job. Bought a CE sump and marked where I wanted it and they did exactly as wanted.
That being said, if I waited one more month to do the job , the tank/submerged pump combo hit the market and I would've done that instead.
Last edited by thedriver; 02/07/17 01:29 AM.
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Re: Weld in fuel tank sump?
[Re: Porter67]
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02/07/17 10:56 AM
02/07/17 10:56 AM
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A friend charged me a six pack of beer to weld a sump onto my E body tank. That was about 15 years ago...may take more beer now.
CHIP '69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60 '70 'cuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60 '71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn '73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75....................FOR SALE '90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt '06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax '17 Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi
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Re: Weld in fuel tank sump?
[Re: Porter67]
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02/07/17 01:34 PM
02/07/17 01:34 PM
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I think my boss used to charge $150-200 in labor. I can't be sure though though, i only did the work and he did the pricing/billing.
Welding a sump in isn't really that hard IMO if you set everything up right. slice the corners of the sump and on both sides of any ribs in the gas tank so you can work the sump with a hammer/dolly and some heat to get it to sit completely flat against the tank at all points. Next, tack the corners and then just slowly fill in between the tacks while alternating sides being sure not to put too much heat into the tank. The sump is normally a thicker material, so try to focus your heat into the edge of the sump and pull the weld down just enough onto the tank letting gravity do the rest of the work so that your torch is never aiming directly at the tank for long. this is to avoid burn through.
The key is to not even try to run beads. Just keep tacking it with overlapping tacks. I've done a few this way and I have never needed any epoxy sealant like I have seen some shops use, and I always test them under pressure. A gas tank sealer is still a good idea though just to protect the insides of the tank from rust at the welds.
I know there are other options these days, but I still think sumps are one of the more bullet-proof options out there.. With a good sump and the holes in the tank drilled out as per instructions (multiple small holes, not one big one), there is really no way you can get fuel starvation.
The one thing I DON'T like about sumps, which is also the reason why I recently sold a sumped E body tank I welded up here for $100 and went to a fuel cell instead, is that if you are using a gravity fed pump you now have to mount your pump very low to allow it to be fed fuel properly.
Oh, my other tip, NEVER use an old tank. Save yourself a lot of trouble purging the tank and fighting with contaminated metal and just buy a new tank to start with, they are out there for $100 and the sump will cost you $70 or so.
Last edited by 1mean340; 02/07/17 01:40 PM.
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Re: Weld in fuel tank sump?
[Re: Porter67]
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02/07/17 07:10 PM
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I washed out my tank really well, then back purged the tank before I welded the sump on. Got a drop of cold rolled from the local metal supply place, cost me $5 and a little stress because everyone told me I would blow myself up.
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Re: Weld in fuel tank sump?
[Re: Porter67]
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02/08/17 04:41 PM
02/08/17 04:41 PM
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The hydramat still leaves you w/ the issue of a way to hook up your big feed/suction lines to the tank. A sump is a clean and easy way to do this and works great.
When we welded mine in, I removed and drained the tank, rinsed it out w/ water, then let it dry in the sun for a day. Then started the installation.
CHIP '69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60 '70 'cuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60 '71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn '73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75....................FOR SALE '90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt '06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax '17 Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi
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