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Re: How much does a bare 68 dart body shell weigh?
[Re: Hemidavey]
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Not that I know one way or the other but are the doors, fenders, hood and trunk lid attached? That's probably a 4-500 lb difference.
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Re: How much does a bare 68 dart body shell weigh?
[Re: Hemidavey]
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A totally naked body in white '69 Barracuda weighs 461 lbs. That's 186 lbs at each forward spring hanger plus 89 lbs at the front end. I weighed it on an ordinary bathroom scale at these 3 points, deducting the weight of the yellow tubing of course. This figure includes paint, some road grime, and factory partial undercoating at just the rear wheels. (Also 1 wheel opening molding shown in the photo that was the very last piece to come off due to a stuck screw.)
I'd think a totally naked body in white '68 Dart should be close to the same.
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Re: How much does a bare 68 dart body shell weigh?
[Re: Hemidavey]
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02/07/17 07:08 AM
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Some other weights. All parts are totally bare unless noted. Note how much greater the weight of the springs are compared to all else.
body shell (body in white) with paint and minimum undercoating, 461 lbs.
R or L door, each, 32.
K frame, 33.
notchback trunk, 39.
hood, 56.
R or L fender w undercoating, each, 23.
rear axle w brake backing plates, 3rd member, rear yoke, 55.
drive shaft w front yoke, 15.
pair of rear springs w bushings, no shackles, no hangers, 87.
one front brake drum w outer races, 17.5.
pair of tail pipes, 12.
front sway bar w 2 mount brackets and cushions, 11.
2 mufflers, 2 head pipes for 340cid, no clamps, 38.
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Re: How much does a bare 68 dart body shell weigh?
[Re: kentj340]
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02/07/17 08:11 AM
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rear axle w brake backing plates, 3rd member, rear yoke, 55.
drive shaft w front yoke, 15.
Really ? Is this axle without the shafts, brake shoes/hardware or drums ?
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Re: How much does a bare 68 dart body shell weigh?
[Re: Hemidavey]
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02/07/17 12:20 PM
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Yea the rear axle weight caught me too, I probably would have bought it if you said 155. I think a third member weighs well over 55 unless completely bare but still close never mind the axles and housing.
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Re: How much does a bare 68 dart body shell weigh?
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02/07/17 05:47 PM
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A totally naked body in white '69 Barracuda weighs 461 lbs. That's 186 lbs at each forward spring hanger plus 89 lbs at the front end. I weighed it on an ordinary bathroom scale at these 3 points, deducting the weight of the yellow tubing of course. This figure includes paint, some road grime, and factory partial undercoating at just the rear wheels. (Also 1 wheel opening molding shown in the photo that was the very last piece to come off due to a stuck screw.)
I'd think a totally naked body in white '68 Dart should be close to the same. I'm thinking weighting on two corners not four, one of the four corners will throw off the measurement, unless, your diagonal is off the block too.
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Re: How much does a bare 68 dart body shell weigh?
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If your using bathroom scales with any weight transferring devices, don't trust those readings  Years ago I saw John Diana old Comp Eliminator car get scaled at a SO CA chassis shop that was using a set of four bathroom scales with a set of mechanical weight transferring devices that the shop owner designed and built, (this was long before four corner scales where readily available)his calculations with my weight in the drivers seat showed the car to weigh around 2180 lbs, just right for Super Gas  I had to weighed the car on NHRA calibrated scales at Pomona two weeks later for the Winternationals after the first qualifying run and it weighed 2870 lbs. with me in it   My message is, when in doubt, verify twice 
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Re: How much does a bare 68 dart body shell weigh?
[Re: BigMoneyLewis]
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02/08/17 01:20 AM
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I would have guessed closer to 1,000 lbs . It's hard to imagine a bare shell
only weighing 461 . I do not believe weighing at the front and weighing at the back and adding those two numbers will give you a correct weight .
I know I can easily pick up an e-body shell off the ground by hand by grabbing it by the front frame rails , but I know I am transferring most of the weight to the rear as I lift since it is still resting on the floor in the rear .
I don't know .
Greg
Basicly what four independent scales do, the most accurate way. Doing a two point (side-side or front-back) works, but one of three, not sure. Had a friend who worked at Southern States so one we tried weighing half then whole car, came out the same, within a few pounds. They did the half weighing at the track (1973) so we was wondering if correct.
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Re: How much does a bare 68 dart body shell weigh?
[Re: Hemidavey]
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What I weighed was a totally bare shell, as pictured without the wooden dolly, no hood, no fenders, no K frame, no doors, no trunk - just the welded structure, as asked by the OP.
Three points is all that's needed for this structure. The only reason to have 4 scales is if a car has 4 wheels. Yes, using one scale in 2 places at the rear wouldn't be as accurate as using 2 scales, but I don't think the final figure was off by a big number. I'm certain the front of the car did weigh only 89 lbs, which I could lift by hand, so inaccuracy would be in the rear only.
The reason I weighed it is I wanted to know if lifting about half the weight by one seat belt anchor with an engine crane 45 degrees to steam clean the bottom was feasible. I could tell the crane wasn't doing much heavy lifting, certainly not as much as an engine, and the threaded seat belt anchor hole was unchanged by lifting. The wooden dolly and tires are not heavily loaded - no steel dolly is required for just moving around a bare shell.
I had thought about weighing it again after steam cleaning, which would tell me how much (or how little) the undercoating and road grime weighed. Maybe I'll do it again with 2 scales under the rear. Or 3 scales.
As to the rear axle, I'll revisit that.
461 lbs. Bet on it.
 
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Re: How much does a bare 68 dart body shell weigh?
[Re: kentj340]
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02/08/17 12:24 PM
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What I weighed was a totally bare shell, as pictured without the wooden dolly, no hood, no fenders, no K frame, no doors, no trunk - just the welded structure, as asked by the OP.
Three points is all that's needed for this structure. The only reason to have 4 scales is if a car has 4 wheels. Yes, using one scale in 2 places at the rear wouldn't be as accurate as using 2 scales, but I don't think the final figure was off by a big number. I'm certain the front of the car did weigh only 89 lbs, which I could lift by hand, so inaccuracy would be in the rear only.
The reason I weighed it is I wanted to know if lifting about half the weight by one seat belt anchor with an engine crane 45 degrees to steam clean the bottom was feasible. I could tell the crane wasn't doing much heavy lifting, certainly not as much as an engine, and the threaded seat belt anchor hole was unchanged by lifting. The wooden dolly and tires are not heavily loaded - no steel dolly is required for just moving around a bare shell.
I had thought about weighing it again after steam cleaning, which would tell me how much (or how little) the undercoating and road grime weighed. Maybe I'll do it again with 2 scales under the rear. Or 3 scales.
As to the rear axle, I'll revisit that.
461 lbs. Bet on it. The notch is the lightest of all 67 up a-body's, shipping weight with the 225 is 2750 pounds, looks like a very clean body to start with, good find.
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Re: How much does a bare 68 dart body shell weigh?
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02/08/17 03:12 PM
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I weighed all the factory under coating I removed from my 1963 Plymouth Belvedere Stocker back in the mid 1980s, it weighed right at 30 lbs. The carpet pad weighed 15 to 17 lbs. CRS  Both weighed on a bathroom scale.
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Re: How much does a bare 68 dart body shell weigh?
[Re: Hemidavey]
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Thank you to all, I appreciate the input. Years ago we weighed race cars with two scales and two blocks. We raised the car on the 2 post lift, placed the scales under front tires and blocks under the rear. Set it down, recorded the numbers, raised the car, swaped the scales to rear, blocks to front and recorded numbers, added up all 4 and were within 10 pounds of scales at the track.
I wish I had those scales !
Thanks again
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