Is this the same guy that was looking for HEMI exh.manifolds @ Carlisle this past year if so some friends & I ran into him & his wife @ the Gingerbread man during dinner,told me all about his challenger,there where some Canadians eating there also that where very loud & boisterous & kept dropping the B.Ls matter BS made for a very uncomfortable dinner,next day I saw him walking around with a sign on him looking for 71 manifolds.

Definitely not him. He has never been to Carlisle. I am willing to bet that the last time he has been to big Mopar show outside of NYS was the Nats in the late '80's.

Stan

That would be great Stan. It would also be interesting if he had any insight as to why his car took soo long to get delivered. Maybe check to see if the door sticker survived the multiple repaints.

Dave

HemiStan how is your Challenger build going these days. We need to meet up with Terry and I can drag Dave down with us when you are back in NY and visit with Bill. Why Bills Challenger might of sat for so long and delivered in September is a mystery but I have a few theories on that but need more information to prove the theory. Door stick likely would have the Serial number and June 71 on the sticker but what if it had July 1971 on the sticker. When was the sched last day of production in Hamtr.for the 1971 build and when was shut down or the two weeks of sched. holidays that summer.

IMO The Compliance Decal date isn't going to help narrow anything down a whole lot. All the "Compliance Decal " states is that the vehicle in question was built in compliance with the FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARDS that were in Effect on the date shown above. Which means the date on the decal is nothing more than a verification of what safety standards the vehicle and vehicle parts were assembled under. If you have access to all the information to some of the cars built in the first few days of each month and the last few days of the previous month you will find overlapping dates. Imo the date was changed every month due to the possibility of regulation changes since this "Compliance Decal" requirement was in it's infancy. check your Federal Law for changes or simply check "decal" for info changes.

I have a friend who bought 70 GTX in sept 70 new off the truck .When the 71 were nearly coming out.I'll talk sometime and find out date on tag it may have sat also. Yes it is green &he still owns it .It's in cold storage this time of year.

Maybe at next years show?

Dave

I read your opinion on the other thread I referenced at the beginning of this thread. I was just curious if this car had a factory door sticker that survived and if so what date was on it.

If you have some time to kill and you want to read up on 1970 Door Stickers and how they relate on Mopars...here you go:

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=116563.0

Dave

Thanks for your input Dan. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Dave

If the Door Decal is put on a vehicle with a VIN 123456 on it and the decal says May and you can find a Vehicle with a VIN 123457 and it has a door stick with June on it you have a date when the Decal changed months. This Decal is printed just before it is put on the Vehicle. We are trying to compare SPDs and VINs and Door Stick Months and also would need the Sques. Number on the top left hand of the broadcast sheet. This tells a lot of what is going on at the plant at that time. I know production does not follow the VIN sequence. If enough broadcast sheets and fender tags and general information is collected then a pattern can be seen in production.
I have owned my Challenger for ever and a day. I have look at the May and June build and know that the SPD is later on a Dodge then on a Plymouth. I know it is minimum of 7 days late looking at my June built 1971 Challenger that should of had a May door stick if it was built near the SPD. My Challenger is not the only one I have seen with a SPD of May and a June Door sticker. Every Challenger I see that has a VIN near mine I look at the Door Sticker on the car and the SPD and all the parts that were built on the car that are the same as the 1972 build.

Dave and Kevin,
I am sad to say that I haven't done much to the Challenger over the past year. I did get a couple of more cool photos of it from 1971 from Goeff Stunkard this past summer. I have gathered up more parts for it but I picked up this Satellite in August and have been feverishly working on it. My goal is to get it in primer and be shifting the Hemi at 6500 RPM's by June 15th..... I plan to take it to Carlisle this year. We will have to catch up!

Stan

Stan,are you putting the 70s motor in the 66. Only 6500 RPM shifts, I wont tell you how high a shift the Hemi in my Challenger and the old motor was shifter almost 2K about that. Stock stroke motors do rev. Looks like you got it all, A12, 66 Hemi and the 70 Challenger. I sold my two A12 a while back but kept the four 71 E Bodies.

the above St. Louis assembled '66 HEMI Satellite was at least a week late first time around so, plan ahead!

real LATE for the '66 model year, do you happen to have the IBM info on it??

another issue outside of the plant that may have an effect on the "scheduled" build of an ordered car is the dealership's financing of the car - Chrysler wouldn't build an ordered car if the selling dealership did not have its finances in order.

I have seen lots of reference lately to the broadcast sheet sequence numbers. Does this refer to the actual line sequence or broadcast sheet print sequence ? Any proof ? Why do broadcast sheet sequence numbers not jive with the actual line numbers that are stamped in the fender tags of Lynch Road cars ? Fill in some blanks and it should be obvious which car was last.
VIN BCSSEQ FTLINE#
WS23R1A190771
Ws23R1A190774 189771
Ws23R1A192238 191340 191570
WS23R1A195362

You would think that the very last car built at Lynch Road would have the VIN # and the fender tag line # match- right? IE if the last car was 1A196700 the fender tag line # would match 196700.

the "LAST" assigned VIN sequence number would NOT have to be the "LAST" sequenced car on the assembly line.

Correct. What I was trying to say that if 197000 vins are assigned then there will be a fender tag out there with a line # the same as the last VIN #

Hey DaveC just curious; what's the date code stamped on the K-frame?

Mike

I didn't look Mike.

Dave

it appears Hamtramck stocked K-frame assemblies where as Lynch Rd. assembled them as needed - Hamtramck K-frame dates are all over the place