Re: T/A 'and AAR's
[Re: Little Detroit]
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01/15/17 11:20 PM
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Sorry to hear you're not feeling well Barry. Hope you're back to 100% soon. On the lighter side of this I think I will respond to your questions. 1. the spelling of his name; see Berry's post 1/15/2017 5:02 pm , I think the spelling of his name was apparent.(answered in less than 5 days.) 2. made my first on 12/30/2016; took Berry 15 days to say I cannot share what I do not have. pretty much says it all. 3. never bothered to check transmissions. 4. mopar346 I think you watch way too much Dragnet. 5. mopar346 you are correct "your character is showing" Would somebody please direct mopar346 back to the short bus.
1970 Challenger T/A 4-Speed 1970 Challenger T/A 4-Speed 1970 Challenger T/A Auto 1970 Challenger R/T Auto 1970 Challenger Auto 1970 Challenger RT 440+6 4-Speed 1970 Challenger RT 440+6 4-Speed 1970 Hemi Challenger 4-Speed 1970 Hemi Cuda 4-Speed 1971 Cuda Auto 1971 Cuda 4-Speed LOOKING to BUY 1970 & 1971 E Body J, V and R Code project cars
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Re: T/A 'and AAR's
[Re: Little Detroit]
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01/15/17 11:28 PM
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On the lighter side of this I think I will respond to your questions. 1. the spelling of his name; see Berry's post 1/15/2017 5:02 pm , I think the spelling of his name was apparent.(answered in less than 5 days.) 2. made my first on 12/30/2016; took Berry 15 days to say I cannot share what I do not have. pretty much says it all. 3. never bothered to check transmissions. 4. mopar346 I think you watch way too much Dragnet. 5. mopar346 you are correct "your character is showing" Would somebody please direct mopar346 back to the short bus. So if you cant defend your position then you resort to insults, nice. SO you went to the trouble of looking at the casting date on the engine but didn't bother to check the trans for a VIN number or the assembly date on the engine (assuming you don't have it since you answered that question yet either). Seems to me that would be fairly important info and useful to your cause IF it lined up with what you are looking to document. Is one of the 3 cars on your list yours? Insult away I have no self esteem issues.
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Re: T/A 'and AAR's
[Re: mopargem]
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01/16/17 02:30 AM
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Alex Rocks!!!! I like the blue on the chair. Little brighter then B5, but cool.
1970 Challenger T/A 4-Speed 1970 Challenger T/A 4-Speed 1970 Challenger T/A Auto 1970 Challenger R/T Auto 1970 Challenger Auto 1970 Challenger RT 440+6 4-Speed 1970 Challenger RT 440+6 4-Speed 1970 Hemi Challenger 4-Speed 1970 Hemi Cuda 4-Speed 1971 Cuda Auto 1971 Cuda 4-Speed LOOKING to BUY 1970 & 1971 E Body J, V and R Code project cars
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Re: T/A 'and AAR's
[Re: Little Detroit]
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01/16/17 04:36 PM
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Some good information in between the but something comes to mind on this thread. Heard this a long time ago. One should never judge another, but if you are so inclined to do so, Judge them on their abilities and not yours. Get well Barry!
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Re: T/A 'and AAR's
[Re: Little Detroit]
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01/16/17 06:02 PM
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As much as it pains me I will defend Little Detroit a little on this, he was just taking a shot at me cause he didn't want to answer my question and I don't really feel he had any ill will towards the disabled. Special kids offer special challenges and special rewards and there are few of us who have not been touched by the love or perseverance they show and as well as the people that care for them.
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Re: T/A 'and AAR's
[Re: Little Detroit]
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01/17/17 09:30 AM
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Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out how we got from SPD, door stickers and casting dates to painted tops, but then again, I muddied the waters myself with bench seat info.
My T/A has an SPD of 4/15, a casting date of 4/6 and a 4/70 door sticker. I wonder what the actual build date was, because I can't possibly imagine that the motor could be done and in the car in nine days time after casting. I'll try to remember to look at the block for the assembly date.
Even if the door sticker is the "be all end all" date, it still covers a whole month, and let's say the sticker says "3/70" and the line worker is placing it on the car on 4/1. Do you REALLY think he went back for a NEW, "correct" sticker? I have a bridge and some swampland for you if you do.
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Re: T/A 'and AAR's
[Re: Little Detroit]
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01/17/17 12:00 PM
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If I understand correctly the build sheet will have a time that it was on the line on it, if you have that. It would interesting to know the engine build date and time on the sheet. MY car was a 407 car and is believed to been on the line on 403, a friends is a 403 car and it was done in March, door sticker is 03/70, my door sticker had already been removed when I got my car. Point is they had been running a head of schedule a week or so before your SPD.
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Re: T/A 'and AAR's
[Re: Quapman]
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01/17/17 07:52 PM
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Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out how we got from SPD, door stickers and casting dates to painted tops, but then again, I muddied the waters myself with bench seat info.
My T/A has an SPD of 4/15, a casting date of 4/6 and a 4/70 door sticker. I wonder what the actual build date was, because I can't possibly imagine that the motor could be done and in the car in nine days time after casting. I'll try to remember to look at the block for the assembly date.
Even if the door sticker is the "be all end all" date, it still covers a whole month, and let's say the sticker says "3/70" and the line worker is placing it on the car on 4/1. Do you REALLY think he went back for a NEW, "correct" sticker? I have a bridge and some swampland for you if you do. The date stamped into you K frame is pretty close to when the car started assembly and your engine assembly is not the front of the block.
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Re: T/A 'and AAR's
[Re: Transamcuda]
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01/28/17 04:52 AM
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unfortunately it looks like I've been drawn into this conflict once more. Lets see if I can clear it up for you. now which questions is it that nobody on earth could possibly answer , could it be; 1.anybody got any accurate info? 2.trying to find out why no vin on block? 3.were blocks only cast on certain dates? 4.did they cast blocks in batches? 5.can you help? 6.in other words these could be original blocks? 7.does anybody have a data base similar to the charger 500 registry 8. would you mind sharing info with us? 9. Since you have been known for having the largest data base on T/A and AAR's and have had some ties with the Chrysler Historical Society I would like to know if you have any documentation to either support or deny any of the scenario's . and finally would it be possible for you to make a spread sheet with all the vin's for T/A's and AAR's with SPD's, decal date, and fender tag date along with casting date and whether vin is on block? I do know its a lot to ask ,but from what I have read you have the largest data base and it speed things up for everybody if you were able to share the info. thank you. 10.do you have any documentation to support your statement? 11. speculation or documentation which is it? 12. on what dates in 1970 were SCCA races held? 13. on what date did manufactures have to comply with SCCA's application requirements? 14. does the word hypocrite come to mind? Those are the questions I asked, which ones are impossible for anybody on earth to answer? Now here's where this starts to get interesting to me. I've been notified that you edited your post. It seems that you used a gentleman's name in your "original post" to prove a point. Wasn't there a statement about privacy? "They, both Barry and Jeff, have a privacy agreement with the people that contribute." The word Hypocrite keeps coming to mind. It seams that your standards of privacy are only in affect when it suits your needs. While it is true that I had knowledge of the gentleman's info on his aar and had discussed it with him , and yes he did say he had a piece of the warrantee tag still attached to his block. That being said I did not say I only had info on 3 cars, I said I came across 3 that "all" had similar issues.( take notice I didn't use any names) I have a few others but they are distant and not confirmed as of yet. It seam's that you have jumped the gun a little to defend your friend. Which tells me a little about your investigation skills. Its amusing to me that you waited until after I post that this my last response on this subject to take your "cheap shot" at me. As for your statement ..." There is no such thing because what you posted is something you made up" . without getting into a he said she said battle, I have this to say. I asked for "documentation to either confirm or deny my scenario's. So I wasn't really trying to make it to my liking I just wanted proof either way. But it seams that all was not lost ,What we have realized is that there are those out there that let their EGO"S get the best of themselves and try to fill in the gaps with their opinions and disguise them as fact. The last person that tried to pull that off has been very low keyed since it bit him in the butt. I have noticed that 5 of my fans (sarcasm)have there own registry. Is there a pattern there? by the way I almost .let this slip by . I did not ask for any spreadsheet from Chrysler ,only asked if Berry had the info on all the T/A's and AAR's in a spread sheet or if would do that for all of us to see. you might want to read things over 2 or 3 times till you get right. I hope this clears it up.
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Re: T/A 'and AAR's
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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01/28/17 02:12 PM
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well according to you the "Mylar sticker" is the actual build date. But the correct name for it is a Compliance Decal, If you carefully read what is printed on the Compliance Decal it is self explanatory. read what it says not what you think it says. "This vehicle conforms to all applicable U.S. FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFTEY STANARDS IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF MANUFACTURE SHOWN ABOVE", meaning it was built in compliance with the regulations that were in effect or use at the date shown above. In my "opinion" on what I read or have read upto this point leads me to believe that there is no actual way to verify the actual finish date of the vehicle. Therefore in my "opinion" the only factual date basis for the production is the "spd" as you call it. The production of the was started on a certain date when the order was taken or scheduled by Chrysler, the order taken ,broadcast sheet filled out, fender tag made, order placed in line and then what ever happens next assembled or delayed for what ever reason. That is my "opinion" so far and is exactly why I asked the Questions I asked. as for the "Compliance Decal" it was most likely the last ID. placed on the vehicle however the date listed on the decal was merely a confirmation of standards in effect at that time. With all of that information and the fact that I stumbled across 3 vehicles roughly built in same time period ,has T/A block unstamped, and all have the same casting date block, some shortly before "spd" and some after "spd". enough of a coincidence for me to ask Questions, not mention the Welborne - Andlucci thing. So the answer to your question do I think it is possible yes I do think it is possible, but not for certain one way or the other until I find out if there are more cars with the same scenario's . Do you really stand by your statement that the "Mylar Sticker" is the actual finish date
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Re: T/A 'and AAR's
[Re: Little Detroit]
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01/28/17 02:23 PM
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yes I do think it is possible OK. I have no evidence to support your theory, so I can not help you. If you can prove your theory with your own research, your findings will be interesting to read. Best of luck with your quest.
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