Feets, you are correct in questioning the "engineering techniques". Most likely that since serp belts are more prevalent than v's, v's are taking a backseat and they don't want to spend the time to mate up the matched pairs. Too much corporate koolaid being swigged. Belts that run accessories have to be matched when they are on the same pulleys, no ifs and or buts about it.

Will they allow you to look at the code on the belts to match them up? I know that to match them you should match up the lot number and date to get an exact match. I haven't tried this in auto zone, only through our warehouse for fans we run here.

your best bet at finding matched belts is to try something like motion industries. they are an industrial supply and could get you matched belts, but they won't be at auto store pricing. these guys make 1000s and 1000s of v belts, the odds that one autozone or where ever would have a dated and matched belt is probably slim to none.

just got done looking at the 709 and it will fit our brackets for our low mount ac kit. these are a little more expesive than the 508 series but if it gives you the volume you need its doable.

Jerry, Does your kit price include compressor ps pump and alt with all hardware?

no, we use mostly factory parts so you would have to source those yourself. plus that way you can get them at your favorite autoparts store and get the warranties. or we've had guys go junkyard shopping for their mud bogging trucks and get all the accessories dirt cheap at the pick and pull

This was misleading to me then

the color at the top is for anodized color options. its basically $100 per color. we can get all the parts in for $100 for a complete kit. some guys have had the brackets one color and the pulleys a different color, that's $200.00

the kit features the modern accessories we designed into. the kit doesn't include the accessories. some guys want brand new parts, some guys want used parts. we designed in the most factory parts of any after market kit to get you as close to a production setup as possible. if you want we can supply all the parts, we do for a lot of international customers.

ideally we wanted to highlight the important features of our kits. for the price of our kit, your getting all the billet brackets, spacers and hardware and our engineering effort to make sure it all works together.

Another option would be convert your accessories to multi groove pulleys and use multi groove belts with the OEM location and tensioners.

You will want to ditch the stock alt for a Denso unit anyway and most of them come with that style pulley so you need a water pump and crank pulley and for the PS pump either a new pulley or make a late model pump fit.

You might have to go with a Sanden compressor to do this unless there is a multi groove clutch that will fit the RV2.

March and 440Source have pulleys.

http://marchperformance.com/chrysler/chr...ne-pulleys.html

http://store.440source.com/Billet-Aluminum-Pulleys/products/136/

Kevin

Jerry, I'm a bit disappointed now, too.

When your kit features something that means those items are not only noteworthy and desirable but they're also included with the kit.

fea·ture

/ˈfēCHər/

noun: feature; plural noun: features

a distinctive attribute or aspect of something.
"safety features like dual air bags"

synonyms: characteristic, attribute, quality, property, trait, hallmark, trademark;



So, your kit ACCOMODATES the compressor, alternator, and pump. It does not FEATURE those items.

I'd be plenty upset if I paid $650 for a kit that didn't have the costly stuff I expected to see in it.

Feets if I sold the kits for $650 including all these parts, then i'd be working for free and wouldn't make any kits. a lot of these serpentine kits are selling for $2500+ we are brining out an "affordable" kit. I know to most mopar guys even if something is free its not affordable enough so it is what it is.

the only way I sell the "expensive" components is brand new

alternator is $150.00
power steering pump is $135 with reservoir
tensioner is $70.00
ac compressor is $150-200
water pump is 80-120 depending on which one you want

you can spend 650-700 in accessories. I've had guys buy the $350 flaming rive alternator, because it was powder coated black. some guys wanted to run a mechanical fan on their setup, there's some extra cost there too.

I try and provide a kit that at least allows the entry level guy to get into one of the serpentine belt kits. I know not everyone is made of money. you can always buy accessories a piece at a time. I've had guys buy my pulleys one each when their funds would allow.

sorry you guys are disappointed. i'll look into the wording and see if it makes sense to change it. maybe we should offer the all inclusive kit as well on the website so there is no confusion.

Being in the auto industry makes me very aware of the cost of these components. That's what made your kit look so attractive.

If something is featured, it is a highlighted included item. You don't include the parts so there is no way they can be featured items.

You need to change your verbiage.

it does say that the kits start at $xxx.xx so a complete kit can be put together but your looking at more around $1400 for a complete setup with new parts. maybe that will push you to buy the billet kit at $2500 I don't know, again we are trying to get more and more people to use these kits, so we offer them at low entry level pricing. I don't know if you can do that with any other kit on the market.

I do appreciate your feed back

Please state clearly what the customer is getting for their money.

The B/RB high mount kit shows:
A/C bracket (likely a second one in the back)
alternator bracket
tensioner
crank pulley
water pump pulley
120 amp alternator
508 compressor
steering pump

The buyer needs to supply their own belt.

For $650 that's a good buy but odd that the belt isn't included.

If I'm paying $650 for three brackets I think I'll put my mill to work and build my own.


I went back and read the serpentine belt page. It's full of grammatical errors.
Please tell me what comes standard in the kits. I will rewrite the text at the top of the page (making only necessary content and grammatical changes) and shoot it back to you. That way your web developer can cut and paste the text for a quick fix.

I realize this thread is WAY old... but after letting my car sit forever, I finally got to hear it run with Jerry's kit on it. No more squeakies!!

440 serp belts

Sadly I went to the SDConcepts web site and it appears to be gone.