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Re: B/RB serpentine belt conversion
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01/24/17 12:31 AM
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I have 2 cars with the Sandens and they run all the time. I've got the cycle switch on the Fury but it never turns it off. I didn't not have the evap apart (had replaced that a few years prior) so I wrapped the sensor around the pipe and put the goo over it as Bouchillon suggests. It gets pretty cold, but if the car has sat out in the sun or I encounter a lot of stop and go traffic it fades. Keep in mind that's with all the heat of a twin turbo set up under the hood.
Classic air on my Charger and for whatever reason that system blows COLD! Also a triple black car, but only Chicago. It works better than the Fury for whatever reason. Both cars had all new parts.
70 Sport Fury
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Re: B/RB serpentine belt conversion
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01/25/17 01:32 PM
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but the serpentine systems on the front of B and RB motors look like an awful lot of "stuff" hanging off the front of the motor. Is there an advantage other than bling? Yes, there is a FUNCTION to it. My Imperial is being built for reliability, looks be damned. In years past it was possible to find drive belts in matched pairs. That was necessary for AC and alternator function. Matched belts are now a thing of the past. Most parts stores and employees have never heard of such a thing. In fact, our OReilly's commercial sales rep stopped by on Monday and I mentioned the belts. He was completely lost and had no knowledge of them at all. I showed him the matched pair I ordered from Mercedes for the 79 450SL we have in the shop and had to explain the problem. The factory belt routing on the Imperial has a twin belt unsupported run of about two feet between the compressor and alternator. I was unable to find matched belts during the build and did the best I could with what was available. I threw those belts twice on the Power Tour. This car WILL be reliable. It will have readily available components where possible. I want to have a worry free trip anywhere I go on the North American continent. Unlike the vast majority of people here, my car is intended to be driven. Anywhere. Anytime. Any weather. I'll drive it in my heavy commute to work and I'll drive it across the country. In fact, one of my planned trips has rubber on the road in Nova Scotia despite the fact that I live in Dallas, Texas.
We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind.
- Stu Harmon
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Re: B/RB serpentine belt conversion
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01/26/17 02:14 PM
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you could overdrive the compressor, but then you limit its life expectancy. and your over driving the other accessories too. may or may not be a big deal but it may at 6000+ rpm, eventually the bearings will reach a critical speed. That was my concern. I wanted to know if the ratio was the same as factory.
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Re: B/RB serpentine belt conversion
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01/27/17 11:58 AM
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On the alternators, you may have to remove a little material on the two lower screw bosses in the unit so that it clears the mount. Too many variances for Jerry to compensate for especially if you get a chinese unit like I did from RockAuto. If you get a legit Nippondenso oe unit it will probably be a non issue, but still check just to make sure. I really like how his looks and that replacement service units are readily available. Well worth the money and less blingy than the others out there. Anybody read a Hot Rod magazine from a few months ago showing a 66-7 b-body with a hemi that Rad Rides by Troy did? They used a Billet Specialties unit that had a part fail on a photo shoot road trip and could only source it from BS. Not cool. My neighbor has run BS stuff in the past on his rods and said thats a known failure issue with the idlers and can only be had through the company. Not helpful or fun on sunday if you are cruising where there are no BS distributors around.
Carl Kessel
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Re: B/RB serpentine belt conversion
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01/30/17 08:51 AM
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but the serpentine systems on the front of B and RB motors look like an awful lot of "stuff" hanging off the front of the motor. Is there an advantage other than bling? Yes, there is a FUNCTION to it. My Imperial is being built for reliability, looks be damned. In years past it was possible to find drive belts in matched pairs. That was necessary for AC and alternator function. Matched belts are now a thing of the past. Most parts stores and employees have never heard of such a thing. In fact, our OReilly's commercial sales rep stopped by on Monday and I mentioned the belts. He was completely lost and had no knowledge of them at all. I showed him the matched pair I ordered from Mercedes for the 79 450SL we have in the shop and had to explain the problem. The factory belt routing on the Imperial has a twin belt unsupported run of about two feet between the compressor and alternator. I was unable to find matched belts during the build and did the best I could with what was available. I threw those belts twice on the Power Tour. This car WILL be reliable. It will have readily available components where possible. I want to have a worry free trip anywhere I go on the North American continent. Unlike the vast majority of people here, my car is intended to be driven. Anywhere. Anytime. Any weather. I'll drive it in my heavy commute to work and I'll drive it across the country. In fact, one of my planned trips has rubber on the road in Nova Scotia despite the fact that I live in Dallas, Texas. Take this for what it's worth, I have an engineer friend that works for Gates. He told me that as a result of modern manufacturing techniques and process controls virtually all belts of the same part number are "matched". With the exception of an alternator locking up I've never actually had a belt fail.
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Re: B/RB serpentine belt conversion
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01/30/17 11:49 AM
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The amount of cars still on the road today, that require matched belts, have decreased considerably. With this taken into account, there is less demand for matched sets of belts which translates to parts stock which has low to no turnover which can mean no more matched sets. Parts being stocked are like having employees. If the employee makes you money you keep them around, if they don't make you money they get booted.Unless you are talking about certain federal employees then its the other way around. There may be some companies around that have matched sets, you will just need to hunt them down. Gates had a coding system which if you could decipher it would let you know if the belts were from the same run/drum so you could get a matched set without having them taped together. I've been away from them for too long so I don't remember how to decipher the code. Also its beneficial to make sure all the accessories line up in the same plane when running v-belts. If you look at them from the side, you will see that various units are skewed which contributes to belt squeal, belts being tossed etc.
Carl Kessel
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Re: B/RB serpentine belt conversion
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01/30/17 01:29 PM
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Take this for what it's worth, I have an engineer friend that works for Gates. He told me that as a result of modern manufacturing techniques and process controls virtually all belts of the same part number are "matched". With the exception of an alternator locking up I've never actually had a belt fail. Get together with your buddy and smack him upside the head for buying into engineered arrogance. I threw a pair of Gates belts on the Power Tour. I threw a SECOND pair of Gates belts on the Power Tour. My pulleys are in alignment. Tension is set properly. Engine accessories are not angled. I put the belts on and you can watch one flop more than the other. Both times I threw the belts it came after releasing the throttle at high rpm. The belts are not a perfect equal length. Either the width or the length is varying by just enough to prevent equal loading.
We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind.
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