Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
440 hp2 block ID pad oddity? #2229788
01/07/17 10:17 PM
01/07/17 10:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,609
Lapeer, MI.
todd440 Offline OP
top fuel
todd440  Offline OP
top fuel

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,609
Lapeer, MI.
Ever see this? Casting date is 5-28-68, vin stamped XS29L9B195682, so slated for 1969, which I'd expect to see "E440" on the pad.
The only one close to this WT, which is water test. Sooooo, ENIGINE TEST??
Stamping is ET41 then a maltese cross.

GEDC0597.JPG
Last edited by todd440; 01/07/17 10:18 PM.
Re: 440 hp2 block ID pad oddity? [Re: todd440] #2229813
01/07/17 10:55 PM
01/07/17 10:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 31,339
Oregon
A
AndyF Offline
I Win
AndyF  Offline
I Win
A

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 31,339
Oregon
41 means 413 although I'm not sure what a 413 HP is in 1969. The late model 413 blocks were all used in trucks.

Is it a 413 or a 440? If it is a 440 then the pad is stamped wrong.

Re: 440 hp2 block ID pad oddity? [Re: todd440] #2229837
01/07/17 11:38 PM
01/07/17 11:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,609
Lapeer, MI.
todd440 Offline OP
top fuel
todd440  Offline OP
top fuel

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,609
Lapeer, MI.
It's a 440. Was standard bore at 4.320.

Re: 440 hp2 block ID pad oddity? [Re: todd440] #2229842
01/08/17 12:01 AM
01/08/17 12:01 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,565
Las Vegas, NV
6bblgt Offline
I Live Here
6bblgt  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,565
Las Vegas, NV
What is the block's casting number?

can you post a picture of the VIN stamping?

IIRC "T" was an indicator for "Truck" before the '70s usage for "TRENTON" work

possible, but 7/24 is 3 months+ before the Charger R/T would've been assembled

'69 vs. '79 440s - what's the purpose of the relief along side of the pad? I don't think I've seen that on any '60s 440s shruggy
there's also a Maltese Cross hiding in there, was the crank undersize?

xs29l9b195682-ead.jpg1969_E440_5_28_cast_11_68_001.jpg1979 440_engine_rebuild+pad_numbers.jpgmaltese cross.jpg
Re: 440 hp2 block ID pad oddity? [Re: 6bblgt] #2229904
01/08/17 09:19 AM
01/08/17 09:19 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,727
Abilene, Texas
F
fastmark Offline
master
fastmark  Offline
master
F

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,727
Abilene, Texas
The two 4's are a completely diferent style of font. I've got a 69 charger that I sold and it has no stamps on the pad. I thought the top may have been milled off by the builder for the intake to fit, but the back rail has a B on it. I may have a picture on my computer.

Re: 440 hp2 block ID pad oddity? [Re: todd440] #2229910
01/08/17 09:38 AM
01/08/17 09:38 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,609
Lapeer, MI.
todd440 Offline OP
top fuel
todd440  Offline OP
top fuel

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,609
Lapeer, MI.
It's the right early casting number. It's not a later "Trenton" block where you'd normally see 4t440 or 5t440 on the pad.
As far as that milled "locator" spot next to the pad, it's on early blocks also, but not all. I've got a 1970 S440 warranty block that has it also. I've always assumed it was a locator or register for tooling.
Vin has a funny "9".
As far as the different font in the 4's, I'd sorta expect that, seeing it was cast one place, assembled elsewhere, assigned to a certain car in yet another location..and so on.

GEDC0602.JPGGEDC0604.JPG
Re: 440 hp2 block ID pad oddity? [Re: todd440] #2230929
01/09/17 04:52 PM
01/09/17 04:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 75,418
A gulag near you.
JohnRR Offline
I Win
JohnRR  Offline
I Win

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 75,418
A gulag near you.
Originally Posted By todd440

As far as the different font in the 4's, I'd sorta expect that, seeing it was cast one place, assembled elsewhere, assigned to a certain car in yet another location..and so on.


That would be the case if the info on the top pad is stamped at different times during the machining and assembly process ??? It has nothing to do with casting and assignment to the vehicle which is done at the auto assembly plant , engines were not built at the auto assembly plants ???


Mainstream Media is the new Pravda
Re: 440 hp2 block ID pad oddity? [Re: JohnRR] #2231002
01/09/17 06:02 PM
01/09/17 06:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,609
Lapeer, MI.
todd440 Offline OP
top fuel
todd440  Offline OP
top fuel

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,609
Lapeer, MI.
Originally Posted By JohnRR
Originally Posted By todd440

As far as the different font in the 4's, I'd sorta expect that, seeing it was cast one place, assembled elsewhere, assigned to a certain car in yet another location..and so on.


That would be the case if the info on the top pad is stamped at different times during the machining and assembly process ??? It has nothing to do with casting and assignment to the vehicle which is done at the auto assembly plant , engines were not built at the auto assembly plants ???


I should have worded it differently. Some numbers were stamped at the engine plant, more that likely others were stamped at the cars assembly plant. Blocks were stored for months some times. Not everything was done the same day, at one place, and there wasn't just one set of "master" stamps.
Question still remains..any ideas on the ET41? It hasn't been milled off and restamped.
I'm not claiming it's rare and valuable...nothing like that. I just haven't seen it before. It came with my 69 GTX, so I'm going to build it.

Re: 440 hp2 block ID pad oddity? [Re: todd440] #2231006
01/09/17 06:08 PM
01/09/17 06:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,565
Las Vegas, NV
6bblgt Offline
I Live Here
6bblgt  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,565
Las Vegas, NV
7/24/68 was a Wednesday - was hoping to blame it on Friday afternoon beer

shruggy start another thread looking for top pad pics of a late '60s 413 industrial or truck engine

Re: 440 hp2 block ID pad oddity? [Re: todd440] #2231108
01/09/17 08:34 PM
01/09/17 08:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,793
Big Sky Country
M
MO_PA Offline
top fuel
MO_PA  Offline
top fuel
M

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,793
Big Sky Country
The 41 is 413 the A means .020 oversize cylinder bores.
If I remember right the early max wedge blocks were stamped HP
but this wouldn't be max wedge

Last edited by MO_PA; 01/09/17 08:41 PM.
Re: 440 hp2 block ID pad oddity? [Re: todd440] #2231135
01/09/17 09:27 PM
01/09/17 09:27 PM
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 14,889
up yours
Supercuda Offline
About to go away
Supercuda  Offline
About to go away

Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 14,889
up yours
My 64 413 in my 64 300 was stamped HP. The maxies were stamped MP (maximum performance) with the high compression maxies getting an HC as well, IIRC.


They say there are no such thing as a stupid question.
They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
Re: 440 hp2 block ID pad oddity? [Re: todd440] #2231149
01/09/17 09:36 PM
01/09/17 09:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,609
Lapeer, MI.
todd440 Offline OP
top fuel
todd440  Offline OP
top fuel

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,609
Lapeer, MI.
The pic of the casting number is above, painted orange later the same day. It's 2536430, which is 440. Date is 5/29/68.
Not a 413 block, different casting number, smaller bore.

Re: 440 hp2 block ID pad oddity? [Re: todd440] #2231426
01/10/17 03:31 AM
01/10/17 03:31 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,565
Las Vegas, NV
6bblgt Offline
I Live Here
6bblgt  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,565
Las Vegas, NV
Originally Posted By todd440
The pic of the casting number is above, painted orange later the same day. It's 2536430, which is 440. Date is 5/29/68.
Not a 413 block, different casting number, smaller bore.



understood, but the top stamp is NOT accurate for a '69 440 for any application







Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1