Well I just took about an hour to read all these post, thanks for killing time on a cold dreary day. I guess I'll go back to work now. Worse then women at the bingo hall.

People win at Bingo fairly often.

With VIN & insurance frauds & fakers in the hobby, we all lose.

The one bright side is that the Moparts resident fakers & frauds identify themselves over & over for all the public to see.

I was wondering when John was going to chime in to stir the pot!

LOL !!!



How do you make a little old lady say "f**k" ?
Have another one yell "Bingo" !

Both vin and fender tag are original RO.

The ones that partake/endorse in VIN swaps/reboding openly have nothing to hide, and have acknowledged that this segment of the hobby exists, and always will...

What I have found surprising(not really) over the decades are the quiet ones that build, possess, buy and sell VIN swapped/rebodied vehicles over the years and do it knowingly, these are often individuals who will publicly denounce this practice (I see/know many of them here on Moparts and other forums waving the phony righteous banner), yet in a two face fashion, partake in it, I've met many renowned individuals in the hobby often endeared to the masses for saving/restoring a vehicle back to it's "originality", even one "registry" owner who proudly boast(behind closed doors) of their rebodied/VIN swapped vehicle(s) in their collection, or individuals who have shown me "enveloped" collections of VIN tags/fender tags/buildsheets of long lost vehicles, or actual vehicles too far gone, that they hope to shortly resurrect via a rebody/VIN swap and add to their collection, or resale at auction, National event, or Ebay, etc, etc...

IMHO the only things that are lost in this aspect of the hobby, are the vehicles, esp of prominence that are not resurrected via VIN swapping/reboding to see the light of day once again because of some gray misinterpretations of already vague laws, or perhaps crusades by self-anointed registry watchdogs to black list such vehicles, which in the end game have no real effect or impact, just another hurdle to overcome

Well said !!

Reading this thread is like watching "Groundhog Day". Basically the same thing over and over again. In I guess the close to the 20 years I have been on Moparts I've never read where a guy has changed his mind and took the other side of this arguement.

As for this RR in this question, I don't even see why you'd consider doing a resto on a car like that, not a cheap car to restore and there are much better examples available that really aren't a lot of money. Why you'd want to buy a car needing that much work and having hair on it is beyond me. Not smart.

For the record I run a "Registry" and have no rebodied car(s) in my collection.

Dave

So, Dave, you're well aware of the rotten 68 hemi RR that sat for years in Paris. What do you honestly think the best route for that POS is ?!?!

My comment above wasn't about the Paris Hemi Road Runner.

But since you asked its not really my call. I am sure there are talented sheetmetal guys out there who could bring that car back but I what does the best 1968 Hemi RR GG1 with a bench seat and a column shifter go for? Is that the car you always wanted? I like it but it wouldn't be my first choice.

If I got it for what the new owner paid, I think I would get leave it as it is. I would think about selling the Hemi and putting one of those mock up blocks in it and dress the top end up like it was a complete engine. Then just display the car like a piece of art. That would cool to me. And yes I am serious.

If I didn't do that I would sell it like it was and get something else I liked with the money.

As one of my friends is always reminding me of goes something like this...."Dave there are always going to be more cool cars out there to buy....why worry about that one".

He is right, on any given day I can find a car that I would like to buy.

Anyway that is my opinion, your opinion may vary.

Dave

All Mopars should be saved no matter the condition nor options car was born with unless its completely unrepairable/twisted in half by a wreck or some other circumstance. Once their gone their gone.

Wizard

Oh now that's why we see so many 4-door, triple green Mopars being saved?

If to you it is only about the saving of the car why are you making such a big deal about the original VIN? Go get the salvage title and State issued VIN tag and be done with it and save that Mopar? Or do as some have suggested go get an original VIN plate and re-tag it, but get one from a triple GREEN, 4-door, /6 just to make your point that you're doing it only to save a Mopar and not for any other reason.

BTW: Does anyone know the real reason for the door frame label with the VIN on it?

Wonder if someone pulled the VIN tag off of this one and re-bodied it?

I think it would buff out nicely with a little work and the next owner would never know.

I respectively disagree. Some special Mopars maybe save but not all and this particular car has too many strikes against it. There are plenty of realistically restorable and finished cars to go around. Collectively Mopars are not that rare and as we age, there may be more cars around than new owners who want the responsibility and expense of ownership. So it is of my opinion that we don't have to save them all and this is from me, a die hard Mopar guy that has more passion about them than most.

Doesn't the label certify that the vehicle meets the safety standards for that year and date of competition. Later cars had a mote accurate date/time stamp.

What other Mopars have you already saved Wizard? Do you have any before and after pics? How much do you figure you'll spend redoing the '71 Road Runner?

Dave

I every Mopar were saved, they wouldn't be worth anything.

Yes, I have saved quite a few Mopars 40 of them and some other cars, 68 and 69 Impala convertables, 49 Studabaker truck, 1926 Farmall tractor, and a 1950's refrigerator. All in poor bad shape.

"If to you it is only about the saving of the car why are you making such a big deal about the original VIN? Go get the salvage title and State issued VIN tag and be done with it and save that Mopar?"

I am not making a big deal about the vin. Just asked how do you get one and found out alot of information from others how the process works here. I do most of the work myself. Try to keep costs minimal.

Wizard

Agreed they weren't all meant to survive. For example a rebody of a 68 Hemi Road Runner would bring down the value of all 68 Hemi Road Runners.

Without donors, there would be less brought back from the dead.