Re: Bushing lifter gallery, pros, cons
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12/09/16 01:46 AM
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I might be missing something here, what's the difference?
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Re: Bushing lifter gallery, pros, cons
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12/09/16 04:03 AM
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Looking to run isky EZ roll lifters. Is bushing lifter gallery acceptable practice? Instead of bushing lifter bores Do you want to loose oil pressure if a lifter comes out of the bore in the future? If not bush the block  That applies to all Mopar V8 motors that have the lifter bores machined into the oil galleys 
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: Bushing lifter gallery, pros, cons
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12/09/16 10:21 AM
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Looking to run isky EZ roll lifters. Is bushing lifter gallery acceptable practice? Instead of bushing lifter bores Depends what you want to do.. you can do the galley your self.. MP sold 2 kits to do the job.. one kit had long 5/8" drill bit and the other had the tubing and the peaning tool... as to bushed bores.. you would need to have that done(about $500).. both do the job but doing the bores is a nicer job and can be reversed.. I've done both way 
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Re: Bushing lifter gallery, pros, cons
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12/09/16 10:24 AM
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crabman173
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The chances of ruining a good block with the cave man copper tube deal is much greater than hurting one AFTER you experience valve train failure and then IF lifter jumps out of the hole--by then you are toast anyway and will have discovered something is amiss and hopefully LET OUT OF IT by then so....the real reason to close oil off to the lifter bores is to seal off the 16 big leaks at those points in order to have better oiling to mains/rods half of this can be done with one simple plug cutting off one galley which takes 15 seconds and is reversible later like I say if a lifter pops out loss of pressure is just one of the many events taking place you are already screwed and momentary loss of pressure before you can say whoa is not a big deal
The kit mopar sold was a joke--the reamer was too small--you always needed a bit to size the hole correctly--peening the copper out of the way left the chance that a lifter would not rotate correctly ( OK rollers do not care) and all this was to fix a Phantom issue that most guys would have never experienced anyway unless they were running like 1972 with a tunnel ram, a four speed, and turning 8200 RPM which 99% of bracket racers these days do not need to do so........drop the Iskys in--make sure the tie bar does not rub the block ( it might) and run the heck out of it and if you plan on running very hard block 8 leaks in the driver side galley with one little plug
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Re: Bushing lifter gallery, pros, cons
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12/09/16 11:39 AM
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mopar sold that kit. it had a long drill bit and reamer to enlarge passage to 5/8 inch. drove tubing in from both ends. then ran the lifter tool down lifter bores to peen tubing for clearance for lifters. you had to hone the bores after to get clearance correct. once it's done , can never put hyd cam or lifters in engine, solids or roller only. If it's tubed and then lifter bushings installed, drilling a oil hole through the bushing into the tube, should allow using a hydraulic? The cavity between the bushing and tube is sealed, so don't see why this isn't possible.
Craig Scholl CJD Automotive, LLC Jacksonville, FL www.CJDAUTOMOTIVE.com904-400-1802 "I own a Mopar. I already know it won't be in stock, won't ship tomorrow, and won't fit without modification"
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Re: Bushing lifter gallery, pros, cons
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12/09/16 11:48 AM
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The chances of ruining a good block with the cave man copper tube deal is much greater than hurting one AFTER you experience valve train failure and then IF lifter jumps out of the hole--by then you are toast anyway and will have discovered something is amiss and hopefully LET OUT OF IT by then so....the real reason to close oil off to the lifter bores is to seal off the 16 big leaks at those points in order to have better oiling to mains/rods half of this can be done with one simple plug cutting off one galley which takes 15 seconds and is reversible later like I say if a lifter pops out loss of pressure is just one of the many events taking place you are already screwed and momentary loss of pressure before you can say whoa is not a big deal
The kit mopar sold was a joke--the reamer was too small--you always needed a bit to size the hole correctly--peening the copper out of the way left the chance that a lifter would not rotate correctly ( OK rollers do not care) and all this was to fix a Phantom issue that most guys would have never experienced anyway unless they were running like 1972 with a tunnel ram, a four speed, and turning 8200 RPM which 99% of bracket racers these days do not need to do so........drop the Iskys in--make sure the tie bar does not rub the block ( it might) and run the heck out of it and if you plan on running very hard block 8 leaks in the driver side galley with one little plug  what he said! That is what I do on all of mine.i also only use iskys bushed roller lifters....
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Re: Bushing lifter gallery, pros, cons
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12/09/16 04:20 PM
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mopar sold that kit. it had a long drill bit and reamer to enlarge passage to 5/8 inch. drove tubing in from both ends. then ran the lifter tool down lifter bores to peen tubing for clearance for lifters. you had to hone the bores after to get clearance correct. once it's done , can never put hyd cam or lifters in engine, solids or roller only. If it's tubed and then lifter bushings installed, drilling a oil hole through the bushing into the tube, should allow using a hydraulic? The cavity between the bushing and tube is sealed, so don't see why this isn't possible. And don't forget to drill up from main bearing so they get oiled.
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Re: Bushing lifter gallery, pros, cons
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12/09/16 05:29 PM
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Looking to run isky EZ roll lifters. Is bushing lifter gallery acceptable practice? Instead of bushing lifter bores FWIW My 400 block has both un bushed lifter bores and galleys running Isky solid body rollerized lifters for years mostly street and a grip of hi 9 second slips. Lifters looked good after the first 5 years when I sent em in for a rebuild. HV pump, 8 qt oil pan w/6-qts of 10x30 Valvoline oil and 1/2" block mods over 7000r's many times............ 
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