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727 Trans experts, clutch questions #220944 02/11/09 01:52 AM 02/11/09 01:52 AM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado 451Mopar OP master
451Mopar OP master Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado	I ordered an Alto Red Eagle performance rebuild kit with the performance clutches and steels. The seal kit in the box is actually labeled as being from Transstar, and the clutches were loose (unlabled) in the bottom of the box. There are 4 "red" smooth forward clutches and 4 "black" waffle direct clutches. Does this sound correct or did I get ripped off?

Re: 727 Trans experts, clutch questions [Re: 451Mopar] #220945 02/11/09 02:31 AM 02/11/09 02:31 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 657 B.C. M mk_ mopar
mk_ mopar M Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 657 B.C.	The direct clutches should be red and smooth as well if they are the Alto Red Eagle clutches.

Re: 727 Trans experts, clutch questions [Re: mk_] #220946 02/11/09 10:05 AM 02/11/09 10:05 AM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,213 Minn S SportF pro stock
SportF pro stock S Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,213 Minn	Waffle clutches have to be used in the forward most clutch pack. They are waffled to allow the oil to escape quickly during a shift. The rear clutch pack is used released in reverse and you don't care how fast that is.

Re: 727 Trans experts, clutch questions [Re: SportF] #220947 02/11/09 10:55 AM 02/11/09 10:55 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,095 A Banana Republic near you. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,095 A Banana Republic near you.	Quote: Waffle clutches have to be used in the forward most clutch pack. They are waffled to allow the oil to escape quickly during a shift. The rear clutch pack is used released in reverse and you don't care how fast that is. what he said . Did you get ripped off , I doubt it , your supplier probably gets the bulk of his pieces from transtar and the eagles elsewhere. I don't think transtar carries the red clutches , I have yet to see them .

Re: 727 Trans experts, clutch questions [Re: 451Mopar] #220948 02/11/09 02:58 PM 02/11/09 02:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,932 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,932 NC	Different vendors put together different kits with parts from various sources. The words "performance", "heavy duty", "race" etc can mean different things at different suppliers. The direct clutches typically referred to on this site I would describe as the Alto Red Eagle racing clutches. I believe Alto also makes other lines such as "performance" and "heavy duty".

Re: 727 Trans experts, clutch questions [Re: 440Jim] #220949 02/12/09 12:12 AM 02/12/09 12:12 AM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,491 Florida STAYcation dOc … The village idiot's idiot
dOc … The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,491 Florida STAYcation	I like the metallic green Raybestous waffle clutches. It have been a long LONG time since I have bought them ...... at that time I got maybe 300. Still have some left .. but I hear that they don't make them anymore.

Re: 727 Trans experts, clutch questions [Re: dOc …] #220950 02/12/09 02:44 PM 02/12/09 02:44 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: I like the metallic green Raybestous waffle clutches. It have been a long LONG time since I have bought them ...... at that time I got maybe 300. Still have some left .. but I hear that they don't make them anymore. those clutches are nice, what's your opinion on sprags ?

Re: 727 Trans experts, clutch questions #220951 02/12/09 04:02 PM 02/12/09 04:02 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,337 the house on the left. C cogen80 master
cogen80 master C Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,337 the house on the left.	Quote: Quote: I like the metallic green Raybestous waffle clutches. It have been a long LONG time since I have bought them ...... at that time I got maybe 300. Still have some left .. but I hear that they don't make them anymore. what's your opinion on sprags ? bolt in are the way to go from what i hear.

Re: 727 Trans experts, clutch questions [Re: 451Mopar] #220952 02/12/09 04:29 PM 02/12/09 04:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,932 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,932 NC	FWIW,this is a pic of the Alto red clutches before I put them in my current trans. They have over 500 passes and looked fine this past winter during an inspection. The thickness was still good and they went back in for 2009. 5020430-Alto_RedEagle_slots4crop.jpg (69 downloads) 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

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