Is there any way to get a new vin tag made if a car you want to buy does not have a title nor the dash (someone took the dash) but if the original vin is on the door (71 Road Runner) can you legally put the car back on the road? I looked around in the interior of the hodge podge of parts and rust stacked inside the interior or whats left of it but did not see the dash nor vin plate. Whole dash boar (metal is gone) Worth buying something like this to piece it back together. Most of other parts are there but very rough. Galen doesn't do any of this resto or reproduction of the vin on dash pad I take it as a car could be stolen or rebodied?

Wizard

You need to call the DMV for your state to see what they say is legal.

Appreciate it. State would be PA if anyone has been there done this already. We have one of the toughest DOT programs here.

PA does have a system in place for state issued VINs, but with no title it may be a waste of time.

What's the chance dash and vin are in another body ? Just thinking.... I'd run #'s first thing to make sure there's not a car already licensed using that vin.

I'd buy another dash with VIN and ownership.

Sounds like a parts car

About the best advice to avoid hassles with the DMV/RMV, better off they don't know

Fraud twice.

DMV & insurance fraud if insured under the cars new 'ASSumed' name.

I still wish that Moparts members that encourage fraud could be voted out, permanently.

Let's face the facts that most States make it very difficult to obtain titles, VINs in any shape or form, registrations, etc when dealing with an old long forgotten vehicle(s) missing paperwork or tags, compounded by the morons working at these RMV/DMV's that change the rules and or requirements based on who's tending the service desk/counter that day, and that's if they even have a clue to start with, IMHO if you can circumvent the DMV/RMV that's generally the best plan...so if the OP attaches a long discarded CLEAN/TITLED VIN to an old discarded project car, who really cares, the State makes their money on a new title and registration, a State assigned VIN, or re-VINing along with DMV/RMV/LEO just brings in a bunch of dumbasses who usually have no clue how to proceed DAMHIK

Run from a car that has no title. This one is in bad shape to boot. Finding another dash to swap is even worse. Plenty of cars out there to buy besides this problem.

Yeah, whatever. Let me guess, you were the kid in school that was always squealing on everyone else, right !!!

then, the question comes up what to do with states that are non-title states with vehicles that are of xxx years or older ? when you buy one of these, all you get is a bill of sale, notarized or not, depending on the year and state. what do you do then ? what about states that "lose" all information on vehicles previous to xxx year due to things such as a fire or flood at said state's central storage location ? and lastly, just for fun, a straight across swap of vehicles between legitimate owners with no money changing hands. this scenario can become sticky as well, because the state is money hungry, never mind getting the required fees for transfer of ownership or tags. i have been involved in all three situations, and as dayclona stated, it all depends on the "moron of the day" at the desk or the other end of the phone how these situations get, or can be resolved. in all three situations above, it took lies told by all the owners on both sides to resolve the issues, because the dmv does not know their own rules of the game, or the desk jockey's don't have a clue as to what is legally required despite "extensive training" in their jobs to prevent frauds being perpetrated. it all boils down to people being forced to be criminals despite the fact both parties and vehicles involved are on the up and up, with no intention of fraud or criminality intended. these rules are put into place to prevent phoniness, but in reality for some circumstances, it makes it almost impossible to play by the rules because you are forced to deal with the people involved that are responsible to insure above board ownership is maintained, but in fact, are clueless as to how to do this legitimately.

Does the vin on the door match the stampings on the body? If so, then at least you know that that number is legit, except for engine size and body line. Then go from there. Is there a fender tag? Does the door sticker look original, or new? If everything seem like it is really a RR and the state says it's not stolen, then go from there. Down here I can get a title for an old car without any kind of paper work.

Unless this is a V or R code , I would not even think about buying this car , and even then, you would have to proceed with extreme caution.
The rule of thumb is to never buy a car without a dash VIN . Rule # 2 Is if the car is coming from a state that had titles in that year, and their is no title , you don't buy the car . So right out of the gate we have two huge strikes against this car . Then , if it has a lot of rust or lots of missing parts , assuming this is an N or H code , this is a lose , lose, lose situation , with no chance of a good outcome.
Now if this were something good like an N code curious yellow sunroof 4-speed car with fender tag and buildsheet you "might" go for it , but if we are talking a run of the mill , mundane color , auto, 383 Road Runner with no fendertag , and typical or above typical rust , it just doesn't make sense to drag yourself through the mud and bend over backwards like a
Chinese contortionist to make this happen .

Greg

Another thing to consider , someone may have that dash frame , Vin and all ,
and stuck it in a Satellite Sebring and went down and got a fresh new title . You might find out after spending a couple grand on buying this car, once you start the process of getting a title etc, that the car is already on file , and so now you just have a parts car , which is exactly what it is now .

Greg

Exactly what are you wanting to do with the car?

Here she is fellows. What do I want to do with the car? I want to save her. Its a 4 speed car. Butterscotch looks like. Why not save it. Looks are deceiving. Not in bad shape to the untrained eye, plus I looked it very well and I already restored my 71 automatic 383 Road runner. Yeah, you can get a title for $1100.00 or more thru those 2 companies out there. That's if everything is in order with car and just missing title. Been there done that 1 time 15 yrs ago when you could get them for $350.00 or so. Here of another company here that will do it for $250.00 if everything is in order. Don't know haven't talked to em yet. Just heard this from guy who did it with them. That's all I know for now.

I like everyone's reply's to this thread. Hopefully I can get one by using some of your reply's here of how to do it. Why not try to do the impossible if it can be done and save her to put out to fly again on the road..

Wizard

Here are two scenarios:

a) You have a rotten car but a good dash with VIN and all appropriate paperwork. Restoration requires swapping virtually every piece of metal costing a small fortune in time and material.

b) You have a good car but no dash, VIN, etc. You find a rotten car with dash, VIN, etc and you slap that dash into your car.

What's the difference ?!?!? End result is exactly the same but scenario b) costs less and doesn't take as long. AND ... this happens all the time. Anyone who doesn't think so is just kidding themselves.

I say go ahead and save it. The question now is, what is the cheapest/ easiest way to get a title. Come down here, and get a post office box and apply for a title here if it is not stolen. Is the door tag original?