Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
340 compression test results. What would you do? #2151733
09/10/16 05:23 PM
09/10/16 05:23 PM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 891
Southern California
G
GOT6PAK Offline OP
super stock
GOT6PAK  Offline OP
super stock
G

Joined: May 2004
Posts: 891
Southern California
Background on engine is it's the numbers matching engine that appears to be all original. It has as far I know around 150k miles on it and it doesn't look to be rebuilt. It has stock air cleaner, Thermoquad, intake, exhaust etc. Here are the results...



1. 140 2. 115/(130)
3. 139 4. 126/(142)
5. 134 6. 125/(140)
7. 139 8. 144

(xxx) = added tablespoon of oil to cylinder

Things were looking good till I got to the passenger side. From what I've read the readings indicate worn cylinders on 2,4 and 6. My plan was to pull the motor to clean and re-gasket it as well as put on an aluminum intake and Holley carb. Clean and paint the engine compartment while the motor is out. Later install a TTI exhaust. My question is should I expect the motor to last for awhile or should I bag it up, put it aside and go through the expense of replacing it? Replacing it would be putting in a 408 with aluminum heads etc. which is obviously a lot more than cleaning up what I have. It does run real good so the low cylinder pressure was a surprise.

Re: 340 compression test results. What would you do? [Re: GOT6PAK] #2151768
09/10/16 06:49 PM
09/10/16 06:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,344
Central TX
roe Offline
master
roe  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,344
Central TX
If it's going to be apart already why not just dingleball hone and re-ring at the same time as the re-gasket?



1971 Plymouth Satellite
408/904 8 3/4 3.23 SG
Re: 340 compression test results. What would you do? [Re: GOT6PAK] #2151789
09/10/16 07:57 PM
09/10/16 07:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 20,201
Park Forest, IL
slantzilla Offline
Too Many Posts
slantzilla  Offline
Too Many Posts

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 20,201
Park Forest, IL
See what the bores look like and go from there.


"Everybody funny, now you funny too."
Re: 340 compression test results. What would you do? [Re: GOT6PAK] #2151818
09/10/16 08:29 PM
09/10/16 08:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,931
P
Paul_Fancsali Offline
master
Paul_Fancsali  Offline
master
P

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,931
Leave it alone you may get those numbers up using sea foam and a hard run

Re: 340 compression test results. What would you do? [Re: GOT6PAK] #2151876
09/10/16 10:08 PM
09/10/16 10:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 294
Maryland
M
MoparMike1974 Offline
enthusiast
MoparMike1974  Offline
enthusiast
M

Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 294
Maryland
If you pull the heads be sure to check for burned valves/seats.

Re: 340 compression test results. What would you do? [Re: GOT6PAK] #2152380
09/11/16 02:55 PM
09/11/16 02:55 PM
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,041
Lincoln Nebraska
R
RapidRobert Offline
Circle Track
RapidRobert  Offline
Circle Track
R

Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,041
Lincoln Nebraska
Quote:
it's the numbers matching engine that appears to be all original. It does run real good.
keep it running (downtime is a frequent trap) plus all OE not rebuilt is a huge plus. keep driving it, it runs fine & build a 408 in your spare time & drop it in & have fun & if you ever decide to sell it you can drop the OE eng back in & assuming it still runs fine (your numbers ain't that bad)/all OE/not rebuilt which are all good selling points ($$$).


live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth
Re: 340 compression test results. What would you do? [Re: RapidRobert] #2152797
09/11/16 11:50 PM
09/11/16 11:50 PM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 891
Southern California
G
GOT6PAK Offline OP
super stock
GOT6PAK  Offline OP
super stock
G

Joined: May 2004
Posts: 891
Southern California
Thank you guys for all your replies.

@RapidRobert, I really think that's what I'm leaning towards. I definitely don't want it down too long, I've been that road before and sold things I wish I'd kept. If the compression really isn't that bad then I think I'll try to clean it up and just go through the maintenance stuff to keep it happy for now. I'll just slowly build a stroker on the side till it's done and then change everything over when I'm ready.

Re: 340 compression test results. What would you do? [Re: GOT6PAK] #2153707
09/13/16 02:24 PM
09/13/16 02:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 16,376
D
dogdays Offline
I Live Here
dogdays  Offline
I Live Here
D

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 16,376
Even though it goes against all of our Puritan beliefs, the first thing to do is to run it hard for 100 miles or so. If you want to add Seafoam or Techron that'd be okay too. It is possible that carbon deposits are keeping the valves from seating. Running it hard with plenty of full-throttle charges should clean out most anything.

Then with engine fully warmed up, run it at say 2000rpm and trickle water down the carburetor. Be prepared for clouds of dirty steam. I try to do it in out of the way places where neighbors won't complain.

R.

Re: 340 compression test results. What would you do? [Re: dogdays] #2153754
09/13/16 03:47 PM
09/13/16 03:47 PM
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 21,840
Kirkland, Washington
Pacnorthcuda Offline
Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda  Offline
Too Many Posts

Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 21,840
Kirkland, Washington
Originally Posted By dogdays
Even though it goes against all of our Puritan beliefs, the first thing to do is to run it hard for 100 miles or so. If you want to add Seafoam or Techron that'd be okay too. It is possible that carbon deposits are keeping the valves from seating. Running it hard with plenty of full-throttle charges should clean out most anything.

Then with engine fully warmed up, run it at say 2000rpm and trickle water down the carburetor. Be prepared for clouds of dirty steam. I try to do it in out of the way places where neighbors won't complain.

R.


Some of these posts seem to be ignoring the fact that adding oil to the low cylinders for a retest did in fact result in significantly better numbers and therefore indicating a ring sealing issue, not heads.

I am wondering about smoke and oil consumption. If acceptable then I would be REALLY tempted to 'just run it'.

Re: 340 compression test results. What would you do? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2153773
09/13/16 04:14 PM
09/13/16 04:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 20,700
Eagle, Idaho
Neil Offline
The Doctor is in.
Neil  Offline
The Doctor is in.

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 20,700
Eagle, Idaho
I checked this car out for the owner earlier this spring. It didn't smoke at all when it was started and idled great for the few minutes I listened to it. Nothing that would indicate anything was wrong with it. If I recall the inside of the exhaust tips were dry too.

This thing had zero speed parts on it, other than some aluminum wheels, so I suspect it has just been used as transportation, rather than a hot rod.

Re: 340 compression test results. What would you do? [Re: GOT6PAK] #2153833
09/13/16 05:33 PM
09/13/16 05:33 PM
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 960
Chicago
PurpleBeeper Offline
super stock
PurpleBeeper  Offline
super stock

Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 960
Chicago
I vote for good old "motor honey" to help increase the compression on 2/4/6. SeaFoam does not contain any ingredient to "build up" on your rings/cylinders, so that won't help anything.

I had a similar situation MANY years ago with a 383. I "dingle-ball" honed & re-ringed 3 cylinders and put it back together. I'm not sure if the angle is right, but can you get a look at the cylinder "ridge" with a boroscope through the spark plug hole on a small block? I just bought a boroscope for $25.


70 Roadrunner convt. street car 440+6, NOS, 4-spd, SS springs '96 Mustang GT convt. street car '04 4.6 SOHC, NOS, auto, lowered "Officer, that button is for short on-ramps"
Re: 340 compression test results. What would you do? [Re: GOT6PAK] #2154053
09/13/16 10:51 PM
09/13/16 10:51 PM
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,406
New Jersey, USA
Y
yella71 Offline
pro stock
yella71  Offline
pro stock
Y

Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,406
New Jersey, USA
my first question is what do you want from this engine? are you going to race this thing for max et? or you just want a good running engine that sounds cool? if you are happy with the way it runs and its performance use it as is. if its not strong enough for you rebuild it. Keep it simple


71 challenger convertable, 64 sport fury 383 ci with factory air 99 sebring convertable 89 CTD pup
Re: 340 compression test results. What would you do? [Re: GOT6PAK] #2154226
09/14/16 03:59 AM
09/14/16 03:59 AM
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 4,952
northwest USA
N
NANKET Offline
master
NANKET  Offline
master
N

Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 4,952
northwest USA
Keep in mind adding oil to cylinders wil raise compression on just about any used engine.

Re: 340 compression test results. What would you do? [Re: GOT6PAK] #2154281
09/14/16 11:10 AM
09/14/16 11:10 AM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 8,162
USA
3
360view Offline
Moparts resident spammer
360view  Offline
Moparts resident spammer
3

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 8,162
USA
Bad ring seal can come from worn rings, but it can also occur when the rings are not free conform to the cylinder walls due to carbon build up in the grooves.

Since you got improved results on the three low cylinders by adding oil to improve the ring seal, and considering the age of the engine, you might have rings in those cylinders that are not functioning right due to carbon build up.

It might be worth trying to decarbonize one of those 3 cylinders
by removing the sparkplug,
draining the oil pan,
and continuously pumping a solvent like
"Yamaha Ringfree" or
"Chevron Techron Concentrate Plus"
down through the sparkplug hole
and out through the oil pan drain
to a catch pan where an electric fuel pump would re pump it up to the sparkplug hole again.
8 to 24 hours would be typical times.

Before restarting the engine, add some high quality synthetic oil into the decarbonized cylinder, and turn the engine over by hand to recoat the cylinder walls and rings.

If you are worried about using a decarbonizing fluid in an old and valuable engine,
you can also just pump a very light engine oil like fresh Mobil One synthetic 0W-20,
But do it longer, 24 to 72 hours,
and turn the engine over by hand often.

Re: 340 compression test results. What would you do? [Re: GOT6PAK] #2154282
09/14/16 11:13 AM
09/14/16 11:13 AM
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 14,889
up yours
Supercuda Offline
About to go away
Supercuda  Offline
About to go away

Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 14,889
up yours
Marvel Mystery Oil works pretty good freeing up stuck rings as well.


They say there are no such thing as a stupid question.
They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
Re: 340 compression test results. What would you do? [Re: GOT6PAK] #2155090
09/15/16 02:02 PM
09/15/16 02:02 PM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 891
Southern California
G
GOT6PAK Offline OP
super stock
GOT6PAK  Offline OP
super stock
G

Joined: May 2004
Posts: 891
Southern California
Pacnorthcuda, that's what I thought as well. I haven't seen any oil consumption and every plug that came out was gorgeous without carbon build up or oil fouling.

Neil, you are correct. Tips are dry and no clouds of smoke when engine is fired.

yella71, I'm not looking to race the car at all. I just want exactly that, a good running engine that sounds cool.

360view, one thing I did notice is a lot of dry carbon build up on the inside of the exhaust tips. The decarbonizing idea you gave sounds good, but I would be nervous of all that fluid getting into bearings etc as well. I think I like the Marvel Mystery Oil idea as I've heard good things about that oil and I feel it would be less invasive to other parts and bearings it will come in contact with.

Supercuda, I think I like that idea. Maybe a few hard runs first to see if that changes anything. If not, maybe try the Mystery Oil.

I can't thank you guys enough for taking the time out to reply. 👍🏼







Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1