Non-Matching Sway Bars, Hotchkis and Addco
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Recently, I've been able to acquire a Hotchkis E-body front sway bar 2254F. 1 1/4 in. Tubular http://www.hotchkis.net/product/front-sp...ort-suspension/Now I've gotten a Addco 674 E-body rear bar, 7/8", and I believe a solid bar, not tubular. https://www.amazon.com/Addco-674-Sway-Bar-Kit/dp/B004A0ZATMHow do yo guys think of the tubular and non-tubular sway bars will react on my 71 Challenger? I haven't seen a combination like this on any of the forums. I believe that they should be fine, but I would appreciate a few other opinions. Next up, torsion bars! Ryan
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Re: Non-Matching Sway Bars, Hotchkis and Addco
[Re: Devil]
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The front bar is good (lighter weight being hollow and the OD is the primary factor for stiffness).
The rear bar is too small at 7/8 but adjustable ends are good (make it at its shortest for better results)... also its better to be hung on the frame instead of the axle... choice of designs.. easier to install on the axle (thus easier to sell).
I use 1.25" solid front and 1.0" solid rear... each custom-made. Then, I've layed with the end links ... 1/2 rubber, 1/2 poly to satisfy my results... experience tells what a driver likes/doesn't like.
I've recently purchased a Firm Feel 1.25" hollow front bar to try out... lighter weight is the goal.
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Re: Non-Matching Sway Bars, Hotchkis and Addco
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Hmmmmm. The Hotchkis stock rear bar is 13/16", which is slightly larger.
I'll start figuring out some math here and see what's up.
And you're absolutely right, having both bars in, compared to nothing will be a big benefit. Not sure I agree with that, as the balance between the F/R is what is the goal, no matter how its achieved, to a large degree.
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Re: Non-Matching Sway Bars, Hotchkis and Addco
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I think the point would be sprung weight vs unsprung weight as far as the best mounting of the rear bar.
Yes, the tires have no idea which bar type is used, or where it's mounted. They only 'feel' the movement of the body of the car. And so the size and shape and portion of the tire patch/tire in contact with the pavement in corners.
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Re: Non-Matching Sway Bars, Hotchkis and Addco
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Hmmmmm. The Hotchkis stock rear bar is 13/16", which is slightly larger.
I'll start figuring out some math here and see what's up.
Math? I suggest fractions. 13/16" is smaller than 7/8". 7/8 = 14/16".
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Re: Non-Matching Sway Bars, Hotchkis and Addco
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I'm not sure if the following is correct. I've had very little suspension tuning experience on Mopars. If any of the following is incorrect, hopefully someone will point out the mistake.
If you have not purchased Torsion bars yet, you may be able select a slightly different size torsion bar to make your sway bars perform correctly. In other words, if you are concerned the sway bar will be to stiff, purchase torsion bars that are a size smaller. If you are concerned the sway bar will be to soft, buy torsion bars a size larger.
The torsion bar and the sway bar work together to determine how much body roll is experienced. As has already been mentioned, the balance between the front and the rear of the car is important. So, if you have stiff rear springs and a stiff rear sway bar, you will need a considerable amount of roll resistance in the front. The roll resistance in the front will be determined by the torsion bars and the sway bar.
In my limited experience with brand X cars, I've had to swap sway bars and springs several times on each car to achieve the desired outcome. So, I wouldn't sell any parts until the car is performing in a satisfactory manner for you.
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Re: Non-Matching Sway Bars, Hotchkis and Addco
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Why not go to an adjustable bar setup instead of having 4 or 5 different ones, out of curiosity ? if that was to me... the sway bars are very cheap. 2 of the rear bars are adjustable aftermarket. the rest are OEM of one model or another some were only $45/$60 new from mopar. I would swap to smaller front bar for asphalt/sealed lots and larger for concrete... sadly no option and room for front adj without getting real creative and rolling your own $$$$
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Re: Non-Matching Sway Bars, Hotchkis and Addco
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Sorry about not responding sooner. Had a family health issue keep me away.
I'm not looking for an all out autocross machine. I just want something that handles decently, and take the abuse I'm going to put it through.
Moving forward, I think I'll probably get about a 1" torsion bar. And alot of firm feel steering parts.
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Re: Non-Matching Sway Bars, Hotchkis and Addco
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A long time ago (late 70s) I had custom sway bars made for my Challenger by a semi-pro SCCA Trans Am racer/driver... he made me a 1.25" front, and 1.0" rear... both duplicating the stock shapes.... they work great and in harmony together. I've fine-tuned them by trying different end-link combos ... front 1/2 rubber... 1/2 poly; the rear rubber end links.
Mopar Mitch
"Road racers and autocrossers go in deeper and come out harder!"... and rain never stops us from having fun with our cars... in fact, it makes us better drivers!
Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!
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Re: Non-Matching Sway Bars, Hotchkis and Addco
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Another matter of concern all should consider, is the front k-frame gap where the sway bar passes through it. IF its crushed up a little (such as from jacking the front of the car at the k-frame cent section, or road damage, etc), a large diameter (~1.25") front sway bar will likely have difficulty fitting through the k-frame... requiring some extensive labor to expand and open that area.
Mopar Mitch
"Road racers and autocrossers go in deeper and come out harder!"... and rain never stops us from having fun with our cars... in fact, it makes us better drivers!
Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!
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Re: Non-Matching Sway Bars, Hotchkis and Addco
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I have a Hotchkis 1.5" tubular on the front and a Hellwig 7/8" E body bar on the rear of my A-body. How mix-n-match is that? Also have heims for links on the rear with modded F250 links on the front.
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